Vandersteen help needed


I posted here a couple of months ago looking for assistance on building my first hi-fi system. Based on the feedback I received and auditioning a fair amount of equipment, I settled on the following components:

- Vandersteen 1ci speakers
- Belles Aria integrated
- Rotel DAC
- Audioquest cables and interconnects
- Source: Mainly streaming tidal through my phone

My room is 12’-10" wide by 11’-2 deep. I am setup on the long wall.
The speakers are 27" from the front wall and 22" from the side walls measured from the center of the speaker. The speakers are 9 ft. apart and about 8 and a half feet from my ears.

I’ve read the user’s guide thoroughly and spent a great amount of trial and error with speaker placement. I believe I have the correct tilt back of 2" and the speakers are towed in ever so slightly.

As for room treatment, I’m using the GIK Acoustics diffuser panels at the first reflection points. Nothing on the second reflection points. I have GIK absorber panels directly behind the speakers. I’ve also tried removing them from the room as well.

Here is the problem:

Instruments around the 1k frequency can be at times subdued and sit further back in the mix. What I’m talking about specifically are the lead vocal and snare. I never really get that crack from the snare drum. (I’m a drummer BTW).

Other times I feel like some of the higher frequencies get a bit muddled. I’ve heard others describe their experiences with Vandy’s as it sounds like there is a blanket over them.

By the time I turn up the gain so that these frequencies stand out a bit, the low end is exciting the room and the sound starts to become unbalanced.

I’ve begun thinking of adding 1-2 Vandy subs so that the low end can be offloaded from the 1ci’s and they can be left to focus solely on producing the mids and highs.

Does anyone have any recommendations on how to get more clarity out of my system?

Much appreciated,

Joe

128x128audionoobie

audionoobie - Ohm Walsh 2000s.  I considered Vandy 2Ce's, but they are a bit too wide for the space I have.  I have a review of the Ohms posted in the review section of Audiogon.


I am not at all surprised at the level of service John Rutan provided you with.  He is extremely knowledgeable, has great ears, and is very generous with his time and expertise.  Audio Connection is a first class dealer.  I only wish I could afford more the wonderful toys he sells there! 

@mr_m Two great posts! A couple questions...1) Do you have the Treos or Treo CT model? 2) What model of AQ interconnects are you using? My entire system is connected with AQ Colorado RCAs and I love ’em. Just curious what model is satisfying you.

Also... your suggestion about adding the Vandy subs. is 100% on. I have two of them with my Treo CTs and it is just as you said. The presence of the subs helps the main speakers to open up the soundspace. Dynamics also flourish as the main speakers are freed from reproducing the lower bass notes.
hifiman5
I have the Treo CT's. I have one sub at present, but will have a second one as funds permit. I will also try to get the premium battery crossovers also. I envy you with the 2 subs! Richard V. says that 2 are a dramatic improvement over one. The Interconnects  are AQ "Earth" I believe they were the replacement of the "Colorado" you have. My pair have XLR connectors.
I knew Johnny Rutan would come through for you. My post regarding subs and DAC's were made to give you the best results for your system.
Sometimes you have to make a few more unintended purchases in order to get what you are looking for.
Upgrading to the Rocket 88's, from the 33's, would be a good move.
Those Vandy 1's will be killers with a sub or 2. 
Bob
I think the key thought to center on and repeat going forward is IF the speakers ( or any other component ) is capable of getting it right in dealers room with similar equipment you should be looking harder at what they are doing and changing towards that.
the advice you got to change speakers so quickly is rubbish
true Vandersteens are not everyone's cup of tea - how boring the world would be IF that were the case.
Walsh are not tea at all
more like a milkshake
comparing the two is absurd
excepting