Just wondering...


Sorry about the poor choice for the title but I just couldn’t compress my question into only a few words. I’ve been watching A’gon to find a good deal for a decent DAC in the $1K price range to improve my CD listening experience. As I look through the listings, I see DACs priced in tens of thousands - saw a Boulder 2020 with retail price of $32K listed for $15K. Probably an awesome bargain for somebody. To some degree I can understand speakers selling for crazy prices partly justified by their sound as well as their "furniture" value. I’m also sure a $20K pair of speakers will still sound incredible ten years from now. I can even sort of get amplifiers being a little crazy in price but they seem to last forever, at least technology-wise. I’m still loving my 35 year old McIntosh amp but can’t imagine using the same DAC even three or five years from now. What am I missing? Can a $32K DAC sound that different from a $1K DAC?

128x128kalali
I'll cast my vote w/emailists on this thread...one notices the subtle differences of a change in one's equipment due to familiarity, having 'trained' oneself to a system response.  In another situation, a 'pedigreed' piece of equipment vs. a Best Buy bargains' performance may not be noticed unless the difference is really obvious to anyone.
IMHO there's an enormous variation in what any individual strives for in their audio tastes.  Some what sonic perfection, others will be pleased with ease of access, still others with something that just simply sounds good or looks the part.
When it comes to DACs and the like, I'm reminded of the 'help files' one sees when chasing a 'bug' in one's computer.  There's an infinite number of ways of combining hardware vs. operating systems vs. loaded software vs. one's habit's of use that it's no surprise to me that 'things don't play well with each other' on a regular basis.  Is there a cure?  No.  Too many variables...  I suspect that's what underlies most of the subjects in these forums.

Perfection will remain between the ears of the beholder.  What goes into those ears will always be subject to what one strives to perceive.
Again, IMHO.  And I'm just as trapped in the amber as y'all.  Viva la difference... ;)
Play on...


I would rather buy used a 5 year old DAC possessing a robust power supply and excellent analog output stage than a new DAC at the same price point. This would be particularily true if using DAC for redbook CD (or files therefrom) playback.
mb1audio02 

I'm B.S. on applied math and statistics. The difference between me and MBA that I shuffle numbers in my head on flight and MBA in computer or calculator.

I know how much all electronic parts worth and therefore I don't need to get this information from manufacturer. The figures I wrote for DAC is very-very maximum of what you can possible think of building. So considering profit and labor DAC can't possibly be more than $5k and for these $5k in pro-audio you get HUGE variety of settings and adjustments and with multiple inputs for integrating more than one digital source. 
If such $32k DAC offers that, than it's actual NEW price is fair to be at or near $5k.

"I would rather buy used a 5 year old DAC possessing a robust power supply and excellent analog output stage than a new DAC at the same price point."

Perfectly stated. 

Best to you mesch,
Dave
" I'm B.S. on applied math and statistics. The difference between me and MBA that I shuffle numbers in my head on flight and MBA in computer or calculator.

I know how much all electronic parts worth and therefore I don't need to get this information from manufacturer. The figures I wrote for DAC is very-very maximum of what you can possible think of building. So considering profit and labor DAC can't possibly be more than $5k and for these $5k in pro-audio you get HUGE variety of settings and adjustments and with multiple inputs for integrating more than one digital source.
If such $32k DAC offers that, than it's actual NEW price is fair to be at or near $5k. "

I'll admit, your method does have some appeal. You get to be right and nobody gets to question you. I'm sure if we could all read your mind, we would be bored with our own.