"Shindo is getting good reviews but that does not mean success and a long market life."
... Shindo has been in business since 1974 with Shindo Laboratory Inc being formed in 1977. While I can not predict the future, I'd say the track record shows they're not going anywhere. I also believe you have it backwards- the small guys with low overhead are more likely to survive, the big corporate companies will more likely fail should the market "die." However, I do not agree its dying.
BTW- this post died nearly two years ago. |
McIntosh C2300 will be around long after Shindo. Nothing against Shindo but with this market slowly dieing survival will be tough for the big names, the small ones I really have a hard time buying.
What happens when they are gone who going to repair it? Shindo is getting good reviews but that does not mean success and a long market life. |
I disagree with your blanket statement that Shindo amps are only for horn speakers. All the amps are tube but some are single ended some are push pull. The 8-10 watt amps do need a fairly efficient speaker but there are many efficient speakers that are not horn speakers. Coincident and Audio Note come to mind. It might be helpful for us to understand where you are coming from if you shared with us the combinations that you have listened to that you didn't like. Also what type of music do you tend to listen to? |
the shindo amps are really only for horn blown speakers. they are clean but dont work well with alot of brands. i have demoed with alot of hook ups. |
I am currently running Reimer Teton full range speakers 95db (4ohm) with Lamm ML2 amps. The Tetons go deep and tight in the bass. Not sure how the Shindo amps may compare with the Lamms but the Masetto has great dynamics in my system. |
Dmailer, what speakers are you running? I admit my Devore's are not super high efficiency at 90 dBs, I think that for the Shindo to really shine they need to be paired with higher efficiency speakers. Also, I'm sure your room has better acoustics than mine. |
Not sure if I agree that the Shindo preamps do not have punch. My Masetto has lots of punch with my Lamm ML2's. It bettered my Wyetech Opal in this regard and I felt the Wyetech was one of the best I had heard. |
i have to tell you, after listing again and again, i think the mcintosh sound alot better then the shindo. it gives everything a little more punch. i think i will be selling the shindo. also i have been around shindo products for a year or so, i demo them every day, with every kind of set up at my dealer. im there about a good 6 hrs a week. you really dont need shindo wires to make them any better. though you might want to revers the plug, to change polarity, but i really think the major factor will be in 5 years the mcintosh will still be the same as the day i bought it, and the shindo, we really dont know. and to get parts you have to go to japan, and talk to ken. or his son |
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In answer to your question about which one would fetch more money, if you're not willing to pay for the Audiogon bluebook feature, I'd suggest that you take a look in the classifieds, both pieces are up for sale (one Shindo just sold), that will give you an idea of at least what sellers think they're worth. |
Shindo is quite capable of incredible dynamics and "punch", just not with mismatched speakers. System matching is always critical, especially when using carefully tuned gear like Shindo. If you're hearing the tonal accuracy and a musical sound but not the dynamics- its quite possibly set up (not using the correct Shindo cables, racks etc.) or speaker/amp matching. |
i would agree. the shindo is a great piece. rare old parts. its a talk piece that sound wonderfull. but the amps do not work for anything really here in the states. because they lack punch. i use all audience eau24 the new upgraded wires for speakers and interconnects. |
Banklette, I think if you like dynamics and slam, the Shindo sound isn't for you. But if you crave tonal accuracy and a detailed but musical sound, Shindo is the cat's meow. My 15WPC Shindo amps simply don't do it for me for rock or large scale orchestral works, but they really shine with small chamber pieces and jazz, especially the tone of horns - trumpet and sax for some reason. |
I must confess that I have been underwhelmed whenevery I have listened to Shindo components. |
As others are saying, you aren't hearing the Shindo to its full capacity. However I think it goes beyond just the wires you are using. Your entire system just isn't like 100% of other Shindo user systems seen on Audiogon or elsewhere.
All of your other gear is screaming to be matched with the Mac stuff.
So if it was me and I just loved the Shindo sound, then I would be thinking about a piecemeal overhaul of my system.
You don't seem too interested in that, so I vote keep the Mac. |
i have to agree on the topic of the AUD 23 speaker cables. These are just awesome spkr cable replacing my more expensive hi end cables. For $880 / 2.5m pair, its a steal!!!
I would also keep the Shindo Pre/amp over the Mac pre. SHindos are harder to come by. |
Agree with mikeyc8 - you don't know what the Shindo is capable of without the Aud23 speaker wire and shindo ic's. |
well right now i use audience e24 the new upgraded speaker wire, so i should stick with the shindo, and not have all the mcintosh gear together, with the c2300, 501, mht-200. right now i have dali helcon mk2 400 that i just got. but they just dont work in my room. so im looking at the totem winds. but due to differnt dealers i cant trade in the helicon, thus they are now on sale here. so i was going to use some of the money from the shindo to help pay for the winds. how much do you think i would get for the mcintosh preamp. never used. vs the shindo? im stuck. unless i sell the helicons. then i would keep both. |
I agree with Uru975, you have already answered you own question grasshopper. If you want sound, go for the Shindo, if you want convenience go for the Mac. You aren't even tapping the full potential of the Shindo yet, try some Shindo interconnects instead of the Audience 24 cables (they're cheaper to boot) and also try some Auditorium 23 speaker wires, then your Monbrison will really sing....
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You answered your own question
The Shindo is 110% of the McIntosh or vice versa the McIntosh is 90% of the Shindo as you phrased it.
A little inconvenience or mindfullness is never a bad thing to deal with or be attentive to
Listen to your words and the answers are there |
what pre amp would bring back the most when i sell it, they are both very new. i cant keep both i am upgrading my speakers yet again. so one has to go due to the funds. |
I personally would go for the Shindo, which seems to have a more open soundstage and more of a 'live' feel to it. The Mac gear tends to be a bit relentless and artificial in comparison, IMO. |
interconnects are a meter, not the problem, i was not looking for people to tell me what sounds better, i know what one does, i bought both, so i would say i know what they sound like in my system. i was asking what would most choose since both are involved in my hometheater set up also. so i was not looking for sarcastic answeres. if thats all you have, then keep them.
i have both a two channel set up and a ht set up all in one. when i want to listen to two channel i set the mcintosh mht-200 to bypass and then listen to either the shindo or mcintosh. then i would sell the other, since i dont need two anymore. the question is what makes makes more sence. the shindo sound wonderfull, the mcintosh, is about 90 persent sound wise, but give me ease of use, with out having to set volume at 12 oclock all the time in ht mode. thats all, just looking for thoughts. on what would sell faster. they are set up in a system that has a mcintosh mht-200 501's mono blocks, esoteric dv-60. all audience eau24 interconnects |
Agree with the above posters. Listen to them both and then decide. If you have a long pair of interconnects going to your amp you may not be hearing the Shindo at its best, though. |
Only you have the answer. I'd keep both.
Arthur |
Why would you ask that question when you can listen to both of them in your system and decide for yourself which one you prefer? |
