Schumann Generator update:
Well I dont think that the S.G. is ridiculous useless pricey tweaks... It is my fourth one, cheap chineese one with an atrocious power supply that is garbage, then I put a cheap one but better and the improvement is across the board...This fourth one is the cherry on the cake...I am happy that I bought these little marvels, and if you want an upgrade this is one... Total cost 70 bucks for the 4 S.G. and the effect in the listening room cannot be overestimated at all...
The most ridiculous and useless tweaks I know of today it seems are only those I dont experiment with in the first place...The problems of the tweaks are the companies that often sell them a price that are way too much...Experiment yourself and dont read reviews anymore...
|
Update:
the added benefit of a third usb Schumann Generator (S.G.) modified for 13 bucks surprisingly is evident after a few notes...I cannot wait for my fourth and last (a bigger one power supply included 23 bucks) I modify all with proper stones and crystals to clean the source power and use some antenna with a great success...
|
I have already experimented with the sonic effect of around 20 kind of stones and crystals... They all induce different sonic effects like tubes in an amplifier but greater sometimes... It is very easy to correct all degradation to gain the better with any of them because they collectively correct themselves in a synergetic collective action after the first experiments...At the end the effect is astounding and compare musically to nothing else...Variation of ALL particularities of sound can be gained...Imaging, dynamic, timbre modification, body, transparency, 3-d sound effect, with speakers or headphones etc...No upgrade of gear will give you that at a relatively low cost...The S.G. is like an amplifier for stones effects...I will never need to upgrade my very good but modest in price audio system...
Before all these experiments with tweaks, with exactly the same dac, amp, amplifier and speakers, I never knew what my pieces of gear was able to deliver...I was not satisfied, even if my basic gear is good for all reviewers and people who already owned them... Most people dont have a clue about their audio system potential by lack of cleanliness of source, power supply, conditioner, lack of room treatment, lack of vibrations controls, lack of cleanliness in the house electrical grid, lack of a minimalistic controls of RFI. or EMI....I know that I was one of them no more than 2 years ago...
|
My apology, it was a typos error....Thanks |
Schumann generator update:
I dont use the S.G. like most people do... Not only it generate some frequencies, the Schumann one, but he S.G. is really an apparatus to improve the effect of stones and crystals... I use Shungite mainly with other stones that are there to compensate one another effects they produce to gain what you want to hear with your particular speakers and gear....
For the beginners try a piece of shungite under the S.G. or on top of it but without contact with 4 improvised feet I cut myself, it will greatly enhance the effect of the S.G. to the point in my audio system to put it on another plane of details...remember when I speak about the effects of something that all my audio system is tweaked with a connected grid of multiple kind of crystals and stones...
|
Brain surgery for audiophile is the most useful and ridiculous tweak at the same time and in a near future a real option... |
If someone speak about a useless, ridiculous, costly tweak, I presume he purchase it and try it....
If not, then it is only children’s gossip in a schoolyard ... If you think it is not that, what is the value of an "opinion" about something you dont know, neither use, nor try ?
Useful or useless tweaks are an interesting and useful matter for reflexion.... Ridiculous and costly are way too relative and subjective opinions, and completely useless opinion without experiment and experience...
I apologize to the OP of this thread ,I only give my opinion, and I thank the OP because it is an interesting thread where to debate and fun to read...But I will wait for a more serious thread about useful or useless tweaks...
|
I connect the second Shumann generator,the small usb one, with a thin ( like a hair) copper used and useless telephone cable to my stones grid …. the result is like with my first S.G. now more dynamic,more clarity, better imaging...I am in heaven with my music...
My experiment is proof for me of the value of this tweak: Schumann Generator is a must,but without control of vibration, without the stones, the antenna, the connection with a cable to the other connected stones, the result would be good ,audible but not spectacular for me....For the price paid nothing compared, it is like probably buying a very costly and TOTL piece of gear, it is what I think of all that....My best to you...
You may eliminate S.G. of the costly, ridiculous and useless tweaks list...
|
|
If my wife were not near my shoulder I would have bought it....I buy domestic peace... But the results I get even with the 10 bucks usb one are astounding, then the frequency was near accurate I suppose...Someday I will buy a better S.G. for sure...
And yes I think that also about resonance...It is the only explanation I can think of about my stones grid when you speak to me about piezo electric effects etc...
|
I know that Geoff, I read your site years ago (and some others sites about crystals use but your price were right and not over the roof) and decide to experiment myself a bit beyond ( I dont have money to buy gear or tweaks)...For example a cabled connected, battery powered stones grid + magnets...After that I read about your comment about Helmhotlz resonator, I go with my own simple cheaper design after with bottles,carafe, plastic and glass containers in my already treated room with great results etc...
I know that you know about Schumann generator, but not about Shungite connected antenna... By the way it is important to controls vibrations with the generator I am sure you know that...But Acoustic Revive and other companies that sold generators sold them with linear power supply, that are costlier in general...It is possible to use an ordinary cheap power supply and treat it against vibrations but also clean some of the noise with specific crystals and stones... This is one of the main reason that my cheap generators are very efficient and compare probably to the costly one with results that are audible and spectacular for me... The power supply is very important then must be treated...The S.G. must also be treated against vibrations...
I am not a physicist like you but certainly a maverick for the common eye of the crowds, like you...My best...
|
Another important thing:
The Schumann generator act like a measure apparatus, a magnifying glass, for the ears because it magnifies the particular effect of each stones or crystals in an audio system at a more evident and audible level than when the stones are only used in a grid connected or not...
You see I am more nuts than you for most of the people...Nevermind! Crowd lack imagination...
(|))
( :
(o)
|
|
Now saying that experimenting in the last hour with stones near the Schumann usb generator I try a big jasper of kambaba piece of stone with impressing results about imaging, I am sure to qualify for the most ridiculous tweak for many here.... I accept the qualification of ridiculous for this tweak,but not useless, absolutely not...To gives an example of the nature of this change I will say that the improvement is like the days I use tubes in my tube amplifier, the changes is very audible ...
This is an example demonstrating that the amalgamation of these three adjectives in the same sentence about tweaks is an error....
/))
( :
(o)
|
do you speak about the usb or the one with a power supply when you way "One black" ? |
Congratulation! Mercury be with you.... |
I remove the blutak at the center after your remark and after less than hour experiment.... i try to attach the antenna with blutak because i try to suspend vertically on a wall the small usb generator.... i I never put blutak in the first bigger generator....In the second one I remove it afteryour remark and make the antenna stand on a piece of shungite at the center but not glued on it like with my first generator and it is better...Your remark about shorting the antenna make sense to me...
By the way the specific kind of stone you place near the generator under it or at the center change the sound... It is not the same effect if the stone is an herkimer, agate, shungite or tourmaline... For the basis of my antenna the shungite is better and it is the shungite I try in my first attempt...
|
Geoff I know that an antenna need to be connected electrically to the gear...Mine is only connected to the shungite stone or the tourmaline stone at the center spot of the printed connected original antenna and perpendicular to it...I cannot explain why my perception of the sound is better with....you are the physicist...Some would say placebo, it is possible ….I dont know... |
The effect of this 2 generators audible from my speakers is more clarity and a less congested sound between the speakers ...After all my other tweaks this is a cherry on the cake and very audible in near listening field and at a normal distance listening in the room also...
I put few days ago the first generator near a speaker... adding a second one nearer to the second speakers changed the relation between the 2 speakers for the best...One of my speakers is near a wall the other near a door, the relation between the 2 is special and not ideal... This peculiarity makes it easier to spot changes in the imaging and soundstage for the worst or for the better...
|
The second antenna is not connected electrically only attached to the stones ...I dont have explanation...If I remove that the effect of the generator is less audible...I recall the length yes loll but why some 3 inches antenna perpendicular to the printed one play his part I dont know....Placebo effect? call that if you want... |
ok I think that for this reason I will put it horizontally on a desk and noy verticall,then the antenna will not need to be glued but only attached to a small stone on the center printed antenna without anything interfering....It seems act the same then I will go with that.... |
oups! lol I only use some small piece of kind of blutak to glue the antenna... I dont think that I create a "short2 because the effect is audible and good... |
I place a usb generator vertically nailed on the wood wall of my furniture in my audio room… I glued at the center of the printed antenna another antenna perpendicularly attached...I place some tourmaline and shungite stone on the cable and near the generator+ an Herkimer diamond...That seems to amplify the radiating power of the generator...
I will place another usb generator near this one or near one of the speakers connected to my computer , I will see the best location.... I order at the same time another larger one with a power supply... They are more potent and more suitable for a room...The usb one are designed to be bedtime therapy for insomniac in asia...But with my antenna and stones they seems to act with enough power to play their function in my small audio room... With this 2 small and 2 regular generators all must be perfect and I will end my search for cheap generators...I doubt that the Acoustic Revive costly one do much better...Anyway for 60 bucks all in all for the 4 generators this will be sonic paradise, this is already sonic paradise with the 2 i have...
This is the wrong thread to discuss all that, because these cheap generators are not useless,nor costly nor ridiculous...I apologize to all the readers of this thread, but I know only ridiculous tweaks I never experimented with to this day, then I will not speak of them for the moment, and for the costly one I will try to replicate them or let me inspire by them before speaking about them, and lastly for the completely ridiculous tweaks it is up to us to try or not because our credulity or blind faith level are different in each one of us... I am certainly interest to read about useless tweaks to inform myself not to replicate them and not to buy them … My best to all...
|
I correct my last sentence: the cable had a regular usb port head then you will need and adaptor for the mini usb port of the Ipad I think.... |
16,163 posts07-09-2019 12:55pmThat’s the one I will probably buy. Does the black wall adaptor come with the device? By the way, the long spiral thing is the antenna.
If you speak about the 20 bucks device they ship it with a power supply... I use my own tough... geoffkait16,163 posts07-09-2019 1:30pmAnyone know if the USB version of the device will fit the USB port of a new iPad? Also, did you get Blue or Black USB device? The usb blue cable they send had a regular usb end, the other end is a mini usb head that fit the small generator...I dont know for sure but I think this mini usb will fit the Ipad... |
Geoff this one is not usb powered then bigger than the usb one...I just ordered another one for me... I will own 2 usb powered and 2 bigger one with supply... That will makes a difference at low cost...I tweaked them with a short antenna perpendicular to the printed antenna and with crystals and stones...Results are almost astounding... I thank you for your Saucers for windows that works and is very simple indeed... https://www.ebay.ca/itm/2018-FM783-Schumann-wave-7-83HZ-Ultra-low-Frequency-Pulse-Generator/18350108... |
No sellers never said to me, to tweak my room, and that I must tweak the table where I put the costltly amplifier to isolate it from vibrations, and tweaking the electrical grid of my house, nobody who sells speakers of high quality like the Mission I own say to me that they will sound better with tweaked cable, and tweakes drivers, etc....
Useless, costly, ridiculous tweaks are 3 different things.... Equating the 3 only invite useless sarcasms …And to know for sure that a tweak is useless you must try it before with a sensible good and already tweaked audio system in a treated room... Costly is a relative notion that is impossible in many case to qualify objectively...Ridiculous tweaks is an interesting question to speak about yes, but only if we dont equate ridiculous with useless...For example my stones tweaks are ridiculous for many but are they useless? I know the answer, you dont… I wish with all my consideration the best to you...
|
To date all the tweaks I devised or bought works... The only ridiculous tweaks I think of are the costlier one and perhaps they works but at a too much high price or with a ratio quality/price too small...I will never go back to the years when I think about a good audio system only equating that with high price...That is ridiculous and that is what most people think, ridiculizing tweaks but not thinking by themselves and buying new costly gear dreaming to improve the sound...
I can improve now for sure the sound of my 1000 bucks audio system by buying new gear like most people do, but the cost will be (I calculate it) 10 times higher, for a relatively better audible improvement... I will keep the same dac (This dac I already owned, Starting Point Systems one, is already TOTL with a ridiculous low price then impossible to beat, except if paying way too much, buying perhaps a Dave for example ), but a 2000 bucks power supply, a David Berning amplifier 4000 bucks, new speakers around 4000 bucks to crush my Mission Cyrus...And all that tweaked by myself for sure...Price and good engeneering dont resolve all the issues of an audio system...
|
By the way I also install a new Schumann generator (10 bucks) smaller than the first one with usb powered and with my tweaks(stones+ antenna) that works marvel also I order a third one...My audio system is incredibly better for another times...I know now that the real improvement of an audio system when you have already good gear does not come from buying new gear but mainly: improving the room, the acoustic grid, the vribations controls, the electro-magnetic grid controls, the room treatment,the elimination of RFI and controls of EMI, all that with TWEAKS mainly and good power supply...
I am sure that a many hundred bucks Schumann Generator is better but I am not sure that it will be way much better for the price...I prefer paying peanuts and tweaking the usb one...Half the price of the Chinese one that comes with a power supply and that is more potent... I will compensate the lack of power of the usb one with installing 2 at 2 different place...
|
Thank Geoffkait for the flying saucers for windows.... that makes a better soundstage for my speakers....It is audible and easy to install... I enjoy it now...My best to you... |
I cannot ingest the theory of antenna with google in 1 or 2 hours...My physics knowledge is too microscopic...I wait for Geoff explanations if he want to for sure... |
I will wait for more explanation...I will give gibberish if not... |
the schumann generator emit an acoustic wave, then the generator transform the electro magnetic wave of 7 .8 hertz in acoustic wave correspondant signal ? is it correct?
For the antenna: the speed of light divide by the frequency of the schumann wave will give the length of the correspondant antenna modulo some fraction to obtain a small antenna... Is this make sense? |
For your popquiz, I dont know where it is and you will be forced to repeat that for me...My best to you... |
«The wavelengths of sound frequencies audible to the human ear (20 Hz–20 kHz) are thus between approximately 17 m and 17 mm, respectively.»
my room is only very short of the 17 meter... How that 20 hz audible frequencies fit in it? it is here that wavelet analysis help a little no?
|
Oups! I think that it is evident that I am no physicist....My mistake...But what for the rest of my saying? the body is also an apparatus very sophisticated able to react to sensible information change... |
Ok Geoffkait, first, in case you have enquire or even inquire, I am not dead...
Second, the listening human body is an antenna also, and the more sophisticated measure apparatus there is... Then these schumann frequencies of the earth participate from the origin till today in the structural genesis of life because they permeated the life field, like ground permeates the roots of tree...By the way 20 khz is 15 kilometer wavelength, how that fit in my room? Perhaps Fourier analysis completed by some wavelet analysis will help here...Perhaps the body is able more than we at wavelet analysis... You are the physicist, think about it and tell me...
By the way I dont pretend that what I say is an explanation, only matter to think about at best...
|
You are right Geoff, but I am certain also that these frequencies affect the listening body, if they are re-inforced by a resonator; and more than that these frequencies affect my stones grid trough a single cable and trough that the audio grid...when I added these connected stones to the resonator the result was "wow"...Then I understand your point that a frequencies does not drown out another, but re-inforcing one that must make some difference I think...My best.. |
Thanks Geoff... I like your openness and direct speech,experience and franchise...I think you are right for an exact explanation...But loosely speaking, the frequencies certainly act on the audio grid and the room but also on the listening body …. My best to you...
(.)
( :
o)
|
I doubt that you are easily convinced if the idea does not come from you and if you are convinced will you admit it easily? My best Geoffkait to you...
(.)
( :
o)
|
Thanks Geoff I know this company and this text confirm that my answer is more right than wrong about your question... my best to you... |
By the way I improve the schumann resonator another times and put it to another level for the impact... I use stones on the center spot of the generator(Shungite +Herkimer) connected by a very ultra thin copper cable, like a hair, connected to the other stones of my stones grid...I must say that the schumann resonator (a Chinese one 20 bucks) are almost the most astounding tweak I ever made, very different impact than the Helmholtz resonators but not less impactful on the contrary, and perhaps better than a new amplifier or at least like a very costly new one...
I had no words...Buy one and if you are not astounded, the reason is your system is not cleaned of vibrations or interference, nor your room adequately treated...
|
Geoffkait it is not the"gentle readers" who inquire about your death, but only me, waiting for your opinion about my answer to your question...I said waiting, because I value your opinion and spirit by the way... |
Is Geoffkait dead?
Somebody has read his prose in the last hours?
o)|
( :
o)|
|
The frequencies produced by the resonator affect and transform the electro-magnetic grid of my system because all the parts of the audio system are linked and simultaneously affect and transform my hearing body linked to the acoustical grid of the room... It is like the frequencies of the resonator improve the sound resulting from the linked acoustical and electrical grid...But it is you the physicist, this is only my reflexion and I am not a scientist...I only know that the resonator modify the 2: the material embedding of the sound and my hearing body modified himself by these frequencies living in this embedding... |
By the way I improve it with some shungite and herkimer diamond and with an improved power supply with tourmaline...I must say that the improvement is not small nor doubtful, I am surprized....I ask for myself now this question: why paying many hundred of bucks for one? Acoustic revive sell some at too high price for me. I realize I have replicated many of their priceful products or ideasor replace it tough at no cost or very low... Nevermind! The shumann resonator is not useless, overpriced, ridiculous tweak, if you buy a china made cheap one...
But before buying one, beware! You must treat your room, clean the electrical grid, and eliminate or control vibrations,after that and only after a schumann resonator will make a great audible impact... |
Geoff quick answer: the two.... |
I just pay 20 bucks for a china made schumann resonator.... The result are stupendous in my room and audio system...Better separation and imaging...Oups! wrong thread! |
The bell telephone cie. just ship me a new router, more refine technology... guess what were my surprize when my reference computer musical files sound more refine with way more clarity, probably less noise from the new router amd I just add my old shungite stones from the old router to the new to another added improvement....A free tweak indeed and almost astounding one completely unexpected...One thing I know from experience now is any electrical field in my house affected my listening experience, router included....This is a tweak from the god of audiophile, a gift to me... |
If one guy must already know that some facts are unexplained yet by engineering science and tough these facts are linked to audible experience results it is Geoffkait :)
I dont pretend to explain anything, tough in my system there is a difference...But I am ok with you to put that tweak in the category ridiculous but not overpriced nor useless (orange light increase placebo effect perhaps)...My best to you Geoff...
|
