Hi Peter, yes, the Salvation/Terminator is providing that stable platform. The fascinating thing is that I consider them to be the most 'neutral' components in my system, and with the right cartridge provides a fantastically exciting sound. Strangely enough the one thing the Orpheus has always been classed as is 'neutral', so what's going on here? Surely one can't have enough of 'neutral'.
Personally, maybe 'neutral' means 'transparent'. Here, the Salvation/Terminator really provides an open window to the recording via the cartridge. But the Orpheus in conjunction doesn't really do so, sounding flat and uninviting. So maybe the Orpheus' is uncoloured but not transparent. Interesting, inasmuch that the ESCCo Zu 103 cart could never be called uncoloured, I believe it reveals all the way thru a recording, being allowed to do so by the tt/arm. And hence is not as uncoloured but more 'transparent'.
And before I confuse myself further, ha ha, I'll sign off! |
I'm gradually changing my mind on the ESCCo modded Zu 103 thru the Salvation/Terminator. It's really proving to be an even handed cart thru this most neutral of platforms, with the slight caveat that it doesn't have the last percent of detail retrieval or soundstaging compared to my Transfiguration Orpheus. And even this is a marginal deficit at most. What's undeniable in my system is that it's the clear winner in tonality, dynamics, PRaT, and overall listener involvement/excitement. All measures of excellent transparency.
But this I believe is really counterbalanced by true listener involvement that I'm not getting from carts at 4-8x the price. Echos of the extreme VFM that the tt/arm is already providing.
My last cart comparison is going to be with the Soundsmith Straingauge, but this will have to provide a really compelling alternative to the ESCCo Zu 103 to make me actively switch. |
As Lewm notes I was the privileged buyer of his second L0-7D and frankly I can't understand why anyone would pay mega bucks for new turntables when you can buy for less $ great vintage decks (DD or idler) that spin discs just as good if not better than new models. Caveat is that if I was in the hunt for a new deck I would go for the Oracle Delphi Mk6, even though it is constrained to 9" arms. Now if only I could get a Sony PS-X9 or a Denon Dp-100!! |
Radicalsteve and Lewm, why are you talking about the Trio on a Trans Fi thread? I don't doubt it's a great tt, but your discussion needs to be on it's own, or a non belt, thread. I'm trying here to promote to the audio world an amazing overperforming, underpriced marvel of the analogue world. |
Spirit, I'm glad you used the word "promote". Because that is exactly what you've been doing. I have no beef with that, but let's not pretend that you've been leading a highly informative audio discussion here. The thread is BOR-ING, so the topic tends to wander around. Sorry about that. The thread would have been long dead were it not for your nearly daily repetitive posts stating how much you love the Trans Fi. If you want others to stick to your topic, you'd better re-invent your topic and make it interesting. |
Lewm, promote in this case means 'encouraging the flourishing of' the Salvation, not neccesarily 'encouraging the sales of' said item (check dictionary.com), although I believe it deserves to. So, a subtle, but important, use of the English language.
Sorry you think I'm a bit shrill here, in fact the designer often tells me to stop wasting my time on such forum boards, and I don't believe he's actually had specific sales as a result of my words.
My comment to you was bringing discussion of the Trio with no reference to the subject of the thread. If there was a discussion on eg Krell amps and mention was made of another make eg Dartzeel, but not as a comparison or other relevant connection, I don't quite see the point. But that's just me.
Sorry also you feel the thread is boring - no need to stress this quite so strongly. And if it is, why spend any time on it?
My wish is only to promote (yes, that word again) a true giant killer in the world of audio, in technical, sound quality and VFM terms.
Just felt the audio world might like to hear about it. |
I very much agree with Lewm on the subject. While it was mentioned time after time what a giant killer the Salvation/Terminator combo was, there was not much direct comparison with other TTs other than the Orbe/SMEV.
While not a bad combo, the Orbe/SMEV (which I had), is just not on the same level as other highly respected TTs, such as the Rockport Sirius III and Capella II, Technics SP10 MK2 and MK3, Exclusive P3, modified slate plinthed PTP Lenco etc, just to mentioned a few that I have personally auditioned.
I am not trying to belittle the Salvation/Terminator combo, as I also got one from the manufacturer, even though I have yet to set it up. My good friend from Lenco Heaven is also a good friend of Vic, and he actually offered some useful suggestions toward the creation of the Tomahawk wand.
I have no doubt that it would be at the similar level (maybe higher) as a modified slate plinthed PTP Lenco, but saying it better other TTs mentioned above without any direct comparison would make me a bit skeptical.
The truth is, any of these TTs have their own characteristics, and it all depends on the owners preference to choose the one (or a few) that he likes.
Trying to promote a new brand with potentially high performance-to-price ratio is a good thing, but keep bombarding the audience with the same basic message time after time may actually have a negative effect. I have seen that happened with other products, which caused me to loss interest in even trying them out! |
Thekong, I totally concur. I haven't made a direct a-b in my system with other top tts, I've had to listen to top tts in a variety of different setups, so the comparison is maybe unfair.
I was ready to drop some serious money on an SME 20 or TW Acustic AC3, but it says something for this tt that I chose it over more celebrated brands.
Convinced the synergy between tt and arm makes a big difference.
But I'm not going to say this tt is definitively better, that would be churlish.
However, PLEASE get your Salvation/Terminator up and running, I'm desperate for someone to back up my views, ha ha! |
Dear Spirit, In retrospect I fear I was too harsh in my response. But the basic idea I wanted to convey is still my position. Most long-lasting threads have either asked a question or posited a general issue that many of us have had some direct experience confronting. Here, you are the one of us who owns the Salvation turntable. So there's not much for any of us to say about.... the Salvation turntable. So the thread has drifted toward the discussion of other turntables that have a remote resemblance to the Salvation, but only a remote one for sure. I do say and have said that I am a big fan of the Terminator tonearm and of Vic as a person. I am quite sure he put a large portion of his considerable wits into the design of his turntable, as well. It might be more engaging if you could find a flaw and talk about that. |
Lewm, that's a very reasonable response. Beats the other thread I originated some months ago, where the first reply accused me of dishonesty, I was rude right back, and the whole thread got terminated!
The only 'flaw' to speak of is a very different presentation to music which in a lot of systems, and to a lot of listeners, may prove to be too uncompromising.
The combination of absence of belt drive time domain smear, which I believe to be maximised by the high torque administered by the direct rim drive motor, and reduction in tracking/tangential error by the linear tracking arm, results in a very neutral, uncoloured sound.
What was always present as an inviting warm colouration in my Orbe/SME V, I now believe in retrospect to be a layer obscuring a lot of detail buried in the grooves.
BUT, this very absence of warmth may be too much of a shock to listeners, since there is now a strong similarity in my analogue music presentation to digital presentation in the music. However, this is only superficial. Reduction of euphonic warmth reveals the full bloom of analogue that digital just can't match.
The facinating thing is that such unvarnished neutrality/detail retrieval can invoke two opposing reactions - some may well find it cold and challenging; others like me will find it totally refreshing, and redraw the landscape to position analogue ahead of digital, even in these days of improving downloads sound quality. |
Ok, another flaw, although this pertains to all tts. But the Salvation/Terminator REALLY needs to be level and free of vibration. Being a rig using an air bearing linear tracking arm, it must be perfectly horizontal, and is very prone to any up and down movement causing serious mistracking.
In fact, I really struggled with this to begin with: my rack sits on a floor easily flexed and prone to footfall. So as I approached the tt, fun and games with skipping was to be had.
I had been contemplating a wall shelf possibly incorporating a Minus K BM-8, but then came across the Symposium Isis rack. And this has provided the solution.
Now I'm getting perfect level and isolation, and the tt/arm can really shine.
But level and isolation are maybe more of a preoccupation for this tt than many others, and could be a deterrent. |
Hey Lewm, as per your request to mention the cons as well as pros of the Salvation to keep discussion interesting, I've done so, but as of yet no reply from you. Your input much awaited. If you have more to say, I can come up with even more disadvantages. But none that would ever get me to consider belt drive/pivoted arms again. I am the guy who was ready to drop my hard earned $s/£s on an SME 30/V-12, or TW Acustic AC3/Triplanar, and have NO regrets that I didn't. |
You write a few posts up (1/30) that it was the SME 20, not the SME 30-12 with V-12, that you were prepared to buy. Quite a difference there. There is a substantial increase in both sonics and price between the two models. Glad you are happy with your decision and have no regrets. |
Hi Peter, I did the rounds listening to the top SMEs and TW Acustic AC3. There is a real tendency for these threads to become a sort of one-upmanship, which is REALLY not my intention. I absolutely was impressed by what I heard when listening to both the 20, and 30 with the V12 arm. The TW sounded great too with Graham and Triplanar. I had been taking a deep breath in ahead of planning possible purchase of one of these, and by luck more than anything went down the route I'm now on, leaving spare funds for my final phono stage upgrade.
So, just for the record, I'm so impressed with the engineering approaches of both the SME and TW alternatives (who couldn't fail to be?), but the Salvation/Terminator has given me a different perspective on music I don't feel I'd have gotten from these two.
So, I'm going to desist from rankings etc. TBH, I was expecting a few more people interested in the Trans Fi approach, or even fellow owners, but this hasn't transpired, and short of requests for info/opinions, I'm winding down my input.
Peter, and Lewm, I'm sure we agree on a lot more than we disagree. If you're ever in London, I'd be very happy to have you over to reveal what I'll still claim is the biggest bang per buck in analogue. And a drink or two! Best regards, Marc. |
All I can say is that I will surely have a listen to the Salvation, if the opportunity arises. I would guess that leveling is an issue related to the Terminator, rather than to the Salvation per se. So far as I can tell, there is nothing about the Salvation that would make it more fussy than other turntables in that regard. Isolating it from footfalls would likewise be similar to isolating any suspension-less turntable. Yes? |
Spirit, I am not so surprised by the general lack of interest expressed in the "Trans-Fi approach." The marketing for Salvation, limited as it is to word-of-mouth, is co-joined with marketing of Terminator arm. I'm hoping that the appeal of Salvation will someday be broadened with an offering of multiple arm mounting points. This would encourage owners of pivot arms to give Salvation a try and to compare their darlings of the pivot world to Terminator. The linear Terminator is a tiny sliver of a small subset of the total market for tonearms. Modern linear tonearms are largely unappreciated and misunderstood, Terminator particularly so. When I think about this design, the only disadvantage I can think of(based entirely on conjecture, not on practice IME with Terminator)is the possibility that the sled bearing may become unstable and rock front to back with forces operating on stylus. To this point I recently learned of an experiment with a laser pointer that refutes this criticism. A mirror was afixed along the sled's 90D perimeter to reflect the laser beam from the horizontal onto a high ceiling. The laser dot stayed motionless on the ceiling throughout play. The geometry and resolution of the experiment suggests rocking of 2um or less. Terminator appears to be the only linear tonearm with good bearing stability that operates at very low air pressure. High pressure may cause bearing chatter and vibration at stylus. Once you get over the hump of good bearing design, most of the caveats about a linear design are minimized.
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Lewm, yes, the Salvation is not more fussy re levelling than any other tt. It is indeed the arm that's most sensitive to this, as well as vibration. Was considering the tt/arm as a single entity. Careful setup really provides dividends. have been matching it with an ESCCo modded Zu 103 cart, another underpriced overperformer. Neutrality, transparency and tonality in spades. |
Just installed the Soundsmith Straingauge cart on my rig. Really taking analog to interesting new territory.
The Salvation tt is minimising speed/torque issues, the Terminator arm is minimising tangency issues, and now the SG cart is minimising tracking issues.
The end result is a bit radical, and would probably sound a little alien to those devoted to the typical euphonic warmth of most analog. It's bringing to the table some of the best attributes of digital presentation esp notes arising out of silence, from a lower noise floor, but combing them with the best that analog has to offer which digital can't match ie fantastic tone, dynamics and transparency. |
Hello Spirit
Congrats for your intelligent choices for the analog rig
and glad to meet a kindred spirit !
I have enjoyed Terminator since 2008. Vic has raised my DELPHI to new heights by the Reso-Mat and the Salvation motor.
I am ready to take another leap to a new territory too !
But I need your guidance to start my venture.
Do you use the SS Straingauge cart alone or with the Straingauge pre-amp ? Can I just use the cart alone ?
Does the cart have a different tonal balance compared to regular carts, or is it the same when used without the pre-amp ? Does the pre-amp change the tonal balance ?
Cheers
Harold |
Hi Harold, good to talk with you. No, I use only the energiser box ie the base level set up SG-200. I run a tube preamp (Hovland Hp200), and felt no need to pay more for the SG preamp. However there are some reviews which rate running the cart thru one of SG's own preamps.
Certainly, the cart will not work thru a regular phono stage (not designed to).
I've heard criticisms the SG doesn't sound accurate or authentic with some voices, but I can honestly say I'm not noticing any of this. Quite the reverse, I'd say it's v.faithful to tone.
The only caveat is that it's v.sensitive to set up esp. azimuth, but now I've got this right I'm getting accuracy and tone in equal measure, quite the best cart I've had the pleasure of using. I do have a thread dedicated to the SG elsewhere in the analog section.
Are you at all considering moving to Vic's Salvation tt? A total giant killer. |
Hi Spirit
Thanks for info, I got the point: I don´t need a SG preamp either.
But I need an energiser box. I have no idea of it, is it a pre-preamp ? Please enlighten me.
The SG cart is the best you have ever heard in your analob rig, that´s really interesting as I do understand the superiority of your TT/arm unit.
I have considered buying the Salvation TT many times !
It´s the culmination of an isolated non-floating subchassis turntable I feel for sure.
I chose a different path: to stabilize the susbended mass on the already fantastic suspension and place the Terminator to a separate armpod.
After Vic´s mod to my DELPHI I`m very positive to take these leaps forward again. With Vic´s help I will complete them soon and see where that path leads !
Cheers |
Just made my final component change in analogue which is letting me totally be "in the moment" - running a Soundsmith Straingauge Mk2 cart on the Salvation/Terminator.
I've always loved analogue but have been aware of it's flaws, time domain smear issues due to belt drive timing variations, tangency issues re inaccuracies in pivoted arm geometries across the lp, and tracking issues from many carts.
Rim drive tt is giving me rock solid timing with no smear or drift, linear tracking arm is giving me uniformity of sound across the whole lp side...and now the Soundsmith is tracking like a bloodhound, with amazing dynamic range, tonal shading and PRaT, and relegation of surface noise.
Finally, a medium that has the potential to be totally superior to digital, but is often hamstrung by it's own engineering hurdles has been transformed in my system to a constantly digital-busting performer with no colourations or artifacts that I can perceive. I can finally say I'm not "aware" of the medium, just the message. |
... oh dear, where it did lead... I´m running a non-suspended & heavily soapstoned TT would you believe.
A new life ! What a surprice, this sounds fantastic !
Dear Spirit, now I understand what you mean by Salvation direct rim drive TT sound quality.
I´m really stoned, I mean soapstoned ;) |
Installed a Red Wine Audio Black Lightning twin battery psu for the Straingauge SG200 cart. Maintaining all the attributes of my current rig, now with an almost-zero noise floor. Killer! |
Just installed Vic's new magnetic bearing upgrade to his Salvation tt, now ZERO physical contact btwn platter and plinth, and newest Tomahawk wand upgrade to his Terminator T3Pro arm.
ANOTHER leap fwd. Initial impression, much greater bass propulsion and texture. No mean feat of what is already a near SOTA contender, and giant slayer at anywhere near the price. |
Glad you're liking it. I can't wait to get my system back up and running so I can hear the impact on mine too. It's hard to imagine it getting even better, but Vic was quite confident it would and I've learned to believe him. |
Tm, get on with it! LOL! The sound is just sublime. With my RWA BL batt powered Soundsmith Straingauge cart, the new magnetic bearing modded Salvation, and most recent Tomahawk wand update to the Terminator arm, really puts this analog rig up there.
I've heard the Grand Prix Monaco tt/Triplanar arm, SME 20/12, TW Acustic RAVEN AC3/Graham, all at 15X the price of Vic's rig, and they all fall short. IMHO.
The greatest bang for buck in analog, and prob high end audio as a whole. |
Another happy member of the Salvation magnetic bearing fan club. I keep thinking it can't get better and it does. I agree with Spirit in that the magnetic bearing added texture to the bass. I also feel it added some additional space to the sound stage and air around the performers in other words a better sense of the recording space. |
Dear Sal, I should hope there was NEVER any contact between "platter and plinth". You must mean "platter and bearing", as in the platter is magnetically suspended. But that only takes care of contact in the vertical plane. In the horizontal plane it is likely that the platter contacts the bearing physically. |
There´s barely any contact left. "You will notice with the magnets, there is effectively no point of contact now between the platter & plinth."
Please read the Salvation Updates.
"The sonic benefits are enormous". I surely believe him as I´m experimenting maglev with my bearing as well and getting excellent results. |
Dear Harold, Were you quoting the Salvation literature? If so, don't you think they misspoke? The platter never contacts the plinth in any turntable ever made. So I assume he just meant to say that there is no contact between bearing surfaces, but this can only easily be achieved in the vertical plane. That's been done before by many other manufacturers, to good effect. But it is quite another matter to use magnets to prevent contact between bearing surfaces in the lateral (horizontal) plane. If Salvation now does that, my hat is off to them. But I doubt it. That would require some MAJOR amounts of Gauss and it cannot be wobbly. This is not meant to disrespect Salvation, only to keep the facts straight. |
The magnetic bearing is a thrust bearing. That's all it can be. A lateral bearing is required to react against the rim drive motor. I'm sure the magnetic thrust bearing eliminated some amount of bearing noise. A magnetic bearing may be a cheaper alternative to a high quality contact bearing with comparable noise characteristics. |
Al I know gentlemen, is that the magnetic bearing significantly boosts the performance of the standard Salvation to new levels. Differentiation of complex bass lines, with greater delineation of detail in the mids and high frequencies, is making analog more muscular and delicate at the same time. Quite a feat. And I still contend one would have to spend 15x the entry ticket, at least, to surpass it's performance. |
Spirit, have you ever heard a turntable/arm/cartridge combination that surpasses the performance of what you own, at 15X or at any amount? |
Dear Lewn, Very good ! Let´s think that more closely... The platter actually contacts the plinth thru the spindle in any turntable. There is a way to transport mechanical energy from the plinth thru the spindle thru to the platter thru to the Salvation motor and visa versa. Now with the maglev the chain is practically broaken, in some extent anyway. This affects the sound significantly, eventually so much that this mod takes the already excellent sound quality of Salvation to a higher level. Vic says the magnetic field between the rings is very solid & strong and there is absolutely no wobbling. The sound is very convincing both in micro & macro dynamics. Guided by Vic himself yesterday I managed to improve the magnetic/nylon pushings spindle implementation with my TT. Result is truly astonishing. My future will float in a magnetic field, quite literally ;-)
Sorry my clumsy review, I´m not an expert. Greater minds than mine will explain the phenomenon closely... |
What is the cost of the Salvation with all these upgrades? 15X that amount is probably some considerable stack of greenbacks, like must be well over $30K, maybe $50K or more. I've never heard any turntable at that price point, let alone in my own system where I could judge it.
I am not here to knock the Salvation but worshiping it is another matter. For rim drive, I would imagine that the contact between the drive wheel and the platter is potentially a far greater source of noise than is any really well designed bearing, or at least it would be similarly problematic. That said, I see that the Salvation is well designed to minimize both. |
Dear Lewn, You already have 2 truly exceptional & legendary DD TTs. I personally am VERY interested in hearing what would you say about the Salvation direct rim drive TT compered to those classics ;-)
The contact between the rim drive and the platter truly is critical. Actually so critical like a line drawn on water (sorry my clumsy expression). I can sure you that the Salvation motor (an implementation for my TT) that I´m currently running works just fine, it does not add noise when precisely adjusted. Now with the maglev bearing (that I´m also using at the moment) the noise level is even more reduced. Any mechanical bearing is noisy, in some extent. I think the Salvation really minimize both noises.
I just can´t stop thinking that the Salvation TT, and especially with the Terminator airbearing TA is truly the greatest bargain in modern TT technology, for any price IMHO. |
Peter, I'm sorry if my responses are a little too gushing. It is NOT my aim to offend any who've spent substantially on their rig. I'll phrase my comments more diplomatically in future. Just to say that I was ready to drop a lot of cash on the tt/arm combinations I mentioned, but haven't regretted going down my particular path. I do NOT want to say uber rigs are inferior, just that Vic's tech at an attractive price point was/is a hell of a proposition. But I would be proud to own your rig or many of the others on these pages. Are we still on good terms?
Lewm, price of Salvation w/mods and Terminator arm £2400, equiv to $5k-$6k w/carriage, US taxes etc. |
Spirit, speak your mind. You do not owe anyone here an apology for expressing your opinion on audio equipment.
For those in the market for a turntable, you provide an unequivocal assessment of the Salvation TT. I wish I had known about this before I began my expensive journey.
Vic has been around on the DIY sites for a while and is well regarded. All of his principles of design and develop are well documented. People can find more clearly articulated explanations on his site. |
03-06-14: Lewm: "I am not here to knock the Salvation but worshiping it is another matter." I notice there are worshipers of two brands, Trans-Fi and Artisan Fidelity, on here who keep gushing on and on about these products without anything substantial to say. The sound of one hand clapping can be deafening. All I can say is that, okay, I get it. Moving on... _______ |
Spirit, Do you mean to say that the Salvation with all the upgrades PLUS the Terminator are sold for a total of $5k to $6K? That truly does sound like a bargain. Also, Harold or Spirit, you now make it sound as though the magnetic field DOES operate in the horizontal (lateral) plane, as well as in the vertical. What's the story? That would be truly novel. Even the Verdier magnetic bearing works by metal to metal contact in the lateral plane.
Incidentally, the L07D has a partially magnetic levitation in the horizontal. |
Salvation update from Trans-Fi website illustrates the magnetic bearing modification to the stock bearing. It does not have magnetic field on the horizontal plane, purely vertical. The female and male bearings are separated horizontal by oil. Vertically, they are separated by a thin 1mm layer of magnetic field. Salvation Update of Magnetic BearingIllustration of Magnetic Bearing Concept_______ |
Hiho, this hobby produces more than it's fair share of worshippers: plenty worship Magico spkrs, SOTA engineering and SOTA pricing.
The Linn Sondek LP12 is maybe the best example, decades of true acolyte like fervour. To those who love it, totally justified. Me? I prefer a different approach.
All I know with Vic's tt/arm is that it's a Hell of an achievment: against the engineering grain, he's produced an excellently functioning direct rim drive tt and air bearing linear tracking arm. I'm not saying it's the best by any means. Just that I've heard uber decks, and those incorporating Vic's chosen tech approach, and it's up there.
And at £2400/$5k-$6k, it slays the competition at it's price.
So how many pretenders can you say show innovative tech, with excellent materials, and a totally competitive price? This would mean nothing if it's sound missed the mark, but it's SQ is right up there, a direct result of reducing timing and tracking issues, reducing noise floor, allowing full analog detail, bloom, air, tone and texture to emerge.
I worship great analog, and truly worship the Salvation/Terminator. |
Dear Redglobe, You took the words right out of my mouth.
This is Spirit´s thread, let´s respect his opinions as a hobbyist. I think he is a very honest analog lover and it´s his right to praise his rig. I personally have run a Terminator for years now but don´t have experienced a Salvation TT, just it´s motor. With my humble deck it´s a keeper. |
For that amount of money, how do you get to hear this tt before you buy? |
I looked at the illustration. It is not accurate. The rim drive puts a side load on the platter. The platter bearing must react to that side load. Therefore there must be contact to the spindle. The magnetic bearing is supporting only the weight of the platter or the thrust load. The magnetic bearing replaces the thrust ball. The magnetic bearing supports the vertical load. The spindle must still support the horizontal load. That is the load generated by the rubber o-ring which is mounted on the motor spindle pushing against the side of the platter. Curious why they left that out of the illustration. That is an o-ring on the motor spindle I am assuming. Btw- if that is an o-ring on the motor spindle, is it glued to the spindle? Otherwise wouldn't it slip? |
Spirit wrote on 3/6/14: And I still contend one would have to spend 15x the entry ticket, at least, to surpass it's performance.
I wrote this in response on 3/6/14: Spirit, have you ever heard a turntable/arm/cartridge combination that surpasses the performance of what you own, at 15X or at any amount?
It was my intention to learn the context of Spirit's statement. If it costs 15X, or $75,000+, to get better performance than his upgraded Salvation, then it would follow that his Salvation is indeed a great, even incredible bargain. I've never heard the Salvation so I'm just curious what he thinks sounds better so I have a reference for his contention.
There is no question that the value issue changes as one considers more expensive gear. I would just like to know if and what $75K turntable Spirit has had in his system for such a comparison and to be able to make such a declarative statement.
Simple as that with no offense intended. Just a question with no hidden agenda. Still friends. |
03-07-14: Spiritofmusic: "...... I worship great analog, and truly worship the Salvation/Terminator." Your last post just proved my point. It's your thread so you have every right to say what you want. I'm just a passerby so I will keep on passing by. _______ |
I agree with Peter. People should be able to proof/defend what they say on this forum. I love reading posts from Spirit, and I also wondered which $75,000.00 TT he compared the Salvation to. I honestly think he made that statement without directly hearing the 75k TT and the Salvation side by side in his rig. I also wondered why he did not mention that 75k TT when Peter enquired, so that was a wild guess on his part.
I however, like Spirit and enjoy his posting. My only advise, please be conservative and diplomatic in your postings. |
Dear Lewn, I didn´t know that the L-07D has a hybrid bearing, like Clearaudio´s ? Fine. Very interesting. No wonder Dave the Messenger prefers his L-07D over his heavily modded TNT. The L-07D must sound fantastic. Please tell more. |
