Trans Fi Salvation direct rim drive turntable


Hi A'goners, I've just bought this turntable, confident it'll be my last upgrade. The rest of my system is a Tom Evans Groove Plus SRX phono stage, EMM Labs CDSA SE cd player, Hovland HP200 pre/Radia power amps, Zu Definitions Mk 4 loudspeakers, so a pretty good way to listen to vinyl.

Over the years, since 1995 I've progressed from a Roksan Xerxes/Artemiz/Shiraz, via a Michell Orbe/SME V/Transfiguration Orpheus, finally ending up last week with my new Trans Fi Salvation/Trans Fi T3Pro Terminator/Zu modded Denon 103.

This turntable (£2500 UK price, approx $4000-$5000 US) is the brainchild of Vic, a retired dentist, who, fed up with the shortcomings of belt drive and traditionally-pivoted tone arms, literally from the ground up devised first the Terminator air bearing linear tracking tone arm (now in T3Pro guise as on my system), and now the direct rim drive Salvation turntable, a technology in direct opposition to the hegemony of belt drive we've come to accept from the '70s.

In summary, he has developed a motor that directly rim drives an oversize platter. The magic is that vibrations are drained away from the platter and hence stylus. So minimal rumble is transmitted, the weakness of Garrards/Lencos in the past. This is mated to a substantial slate plinth which does a great job of isolating the whole rig from external vibrations.

Where this differs from direct drive is that the torque applied is high enough to counteract stylus drag, but it is strictly analogue controlled ie no digital feedback applying constant micro speed control. Speed is set correctly, torque is sufficient, and speed stability is like a rock.

This is combined with his air bearing linear tracking arm, discussed on other threads.

So technical description over, how about how it sounds? Well, years ago I always assumed the overhang in bass when playing lps on my previous belt drive/pivoted arm tts, apparent as a benign artifact, was all part of the 'romance' of vinyl, esp. when compared to the dry, clinical sound of early cd. But in 2007 I acquired the EMM cd, which had a natural analogue sound playing silver discs, but none of this bass colouration. On studying the growing reemergence of idler/direct drive, and their superiority in maintaining speed stability, I agreed that the belt speed instability might be introducing this.

Two years ago I came across Vic, and now I can report that eliminating the belt for high torque rim drive has taken this whole artifact out of the equation. Whole layers of previously masked information like rhythm guitars are now present, treble information has abundant naturalness and decay, and bass, which appears to be less in quantity compared to belt, is actually more accurate with a real start-stop quality, much more like digital, and the real thing. The other positives are more linked to the arm, including uncanny tracking across the whole record side; I'm really not exaggerating in saying that the last few grooves at the end of an lp side are as solidly reproduced as the first. Music with strong dynamic contrasts are really served well by the Salvation, and I am shocked at how good this all is after trepidation that the sound might be hyperdetailed but too assertive etc. In fact music is reproduced with a relaxed incision, and a welcoming detailed transparency.

The amazing thing is that all of this is not in anyway at the expense of the natural warmth and tonal dimensionality that still puts vinyl way ahead of any digital (imho).

The only thing, and Vic would like this to be known, is that his creation is a cottage industry, and he can only produce limited numbers to order.

I'm happy to answer qs on it, as I really want our community to know about a possible world beating product at real world prices. My tech knowledge will be limited, but no problem discussing sound quality issues.

I'm not affiliated in anyway to the product, just sold my Orbe on ebay and bought this. Regards to all
spiritofmusic

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Hey London boy let me know how your cartridge search goes, I would like to try to learn from your journey. My direct e-mail is [email protected]
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Steve
Spiritofmusic
Glad you like the Salvation TT and Terminator arm. I bought the Terminator arm from Vic about two years ago and it was a big improvement over the full modified rega 250 I had used on my Michell Gyro II TT. I bought the Salvation TT from Vice about 3 months ago and wow the best way to describe it is the combination just makes music. As much as I like the Michell they are in differnet leagues. I finally sold my Meridian G08 CD player a couple of week ago because I had not even plugged in since the Salvation arrived. I also love the practical approach, everything has a purpose and it is very intuitive. Anyway I don't know about rim drive versus belt or vibration or linear arms versus traditional arm or resomat versus clamp, what I do know is it sounds very every good. Enjoy
Tom
When we first talked i think i remember you saying you had a modest system. I would say anything but modest. Looks great and i am sure it sound great.
Spirit, what cartridge are you using in your setup. I am currently using the ortofon jubilee which sounds really good but as is the case with most of us I am always looking for an upgrade. I did try the miyajima Shilabe which was not a good match. Currently considering the Lyra Kleos or Ortofon winfield.
Tms0245 are you Tom from Fort Wayne and Spiritofmusic do you live in Atlanta? If it is the same person I also talked to Tom before i bought my savlation back in March. Tom mentioned there was someone in Atlanta that was interested in the Salvation and since i lived in Rome, GA he might want to cantact me. Anyway I never heard anything but thought i would try to connect the dots.
Another happy member of the Salvation magnetic bearing fan club. I keep thinking it can't get better and it does. I agree with Spirit in that the magnetic bearing added texture to the bass. I also feel it added some additional space to the sound stage and air around the performers in other words a better sense of the recording space.
Spirit
You have gone quite. Where are you in your cartridge quest. I have had an Ortofon Winfield PW on my salvation/terminator rig for about a month. I keep thinking it can't get any better and then it does. All it takes is money. As my journey through this audio hobby progresses I am drawn more and more to enthusiast like Vic who are talented and are making equipment because they love it not to make bundles of money. It is satisfying because I believe I am getting a turntable in this case, that is on the edge of state of the art at a very reasonable price and I have something that is very unique. The down side although minimal in my opinion is that the TT and arm have an industrial look, the setup take some getting used to, putting records on and off take a little extra concentration and the resale market could be limited versus a mainstream manufacturer. Minor drawbacks in by opinion when you hear the music it produces. Grover Huffman seems to fall in this same category and I intend to audition some of his cables soon.
I live near Atlanta GA if any of you are close and want to hear the Salvation/Terminator set-up. You can view the rest of my system here if that helps.
I received and installed the magnetic feet. I have only listened to a couple of LP's. My preliminary impression is that they move the performance of the Salvation/Terminator up another level, enhanced dynamics, imaging and maybe a little deeper sound stage. Definitely not edgy and I have a pretty neutral system with Ortofon Winfield cartridge and Martin Logan Summit speakers. I will provide further impressions as I get some more experience.
I am considering the mag level feet and would like to hear some more opinions on their effectiveness. FWIW I listened to a $100K+ system yesterday with a top of the line Brinkman Table and arm after which I came home fired up my system and was quite pleased with how it compared.
I am pretty sure Vic is not an advocate of clamping but I to am curious and would like to hear if anyone has tried it and their opinion. Dentdog, I appears you live in Atlanta, I live up the road in Rome. We both have the Salvation/Terminator but the rest of our systems appear to be very different. Perhaps we should get together and have a listen to each others system. Do you have the magnetic feet? I have not taken the plunge yet, still waiting for a little more feedback.
Spirit - Thank you for your reply. You are correct it is a no brainer, I have been very pleased with my progression through Vic's arm and TT developments and the cost of the Mag feet is very reasonable especially for this hobby.
If pressed I would describe my system as neutral (you can see the components here on Agon). Which brings me to my questions to you; Why do you think the mag feet make a system more edgy? Did you think the mag bearing did the same?
I am wondering what cartridges/pick-ups you have used with the Terminator Arm and your opinion of each. I have the Terminator and the Salvation with magnetic bearing and feet. I have only used the Ortofon PW cartridge and I think it sounds great but you don't know what you don't know. Thank you.