This hobby is for hedonists, not scientists

Of course gestation of a busy thread is just another form of… a hedonic treadmill 

You do realise you have just burnt the cakes and upst all the bakers out there.

@mylogic - Either "no man is a prophet in his own land" or "I'm not here to make friends".  One of those two lines applies in this situation. 

Will leave it as….. In no man’s land, there are no friends.

@mylogic

The West Coast versus the NY ones…… two kinds of cooks and tastes.

Not necessarily. I and Joy Bagels in Encino (L. A. area)  made the real thing. Whenever I had to drive through LA in the late 70’s/early 80’s, I'd make a point of stopping to pick some up. 

...and you can find plenty of sub-par bagels back east. But who can best discern the differences-- scientists or hedonists?