It just goes to show that something different is not always better, just different. Thus, the reason for A-gon and all this gear for sale. It's all about synergy people!
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This post is further proof that system matching plays a big role.
I used to own Plinius 8200 MKII integrated with my Maggies and liked the combo but felt it was under powered and eventually I sold the Maggies because I could not afford an amp that I liked enough. The Plinius SA 100 MKIII was my favorite match and was pretty darn good but still underpowered (but still more OOMPH than the 8200) so I decided to go with tubes and box speakers instead. The last I heard from Cpdunn99 he had Acoustic Zen cables, at least in the IC I believe.
I passed thru a quite similar expereince while my time with a pair og 1.6QR, at first glance their sound was more transparent and quick, I just brought them in. The 1.6 is NOT a bad speaker, and could be the ticket for many guys here, but if you prize dynamic range, listen to very different kind of music (include there electronic and rock), I think that a dynamic speaker will serve you better.
I think the two Phil* posts above bring some valid points here. And yes the Maggies have dynamic constraints compared to other systems but we already know this. Magnepans are owned because of their other qualities that far exceed much of the competition. This includes a very coherent tonality, incredible 3-dimensional presentation and an incredibly extended top end. Throwing midfi electronics at them is NEVER going to bring out these qualities. Just because they are affordable does not mean they will work well with electronics in the same price range. In the Magnepan world, this is simply how it is. And by the way, drive them with an incredibly linear, not necessarily super mega powered amp, and they will knock your socks off!
I agree with allot of the posts here. System matching is vital to getting your music out there best. Maggies are a great speaker, but definately you have to be careful with amp matching. I have a small listening area, I use a meaty sounding tube integrated with my maggies. Blows me away how big the sound is. I had other Solid state and while nice, just missed giving the fullness and the richness of the music and what the maggies can do. I heard some folks say Simaudio amps are good with maggies too.
Hi Phil, I too felt that the 8200mk1 is a tad underpowered and it is very obvious when playing some CD that tends to have lower signal. Before I bought the 8200, I have surfed and asked and even read a Stereophile reviews saying that it has sufficient power. Guess my standard as to what constitute "enough" is higher (my larger then average rooms doesn't helps) and am glad that I am not the only one complaining of lack of power issue. Now I am not saying the Plinius isn't good. The sound quality is in fact extremely good and I have compared it to Krell 400xi and I can say that on most speakers I heard it with, I prefers the older Plinius. But if Phil said the SA100 is also underpowered, I think I might have to approach my bank manager :(
And yes, I know very well the strenght of the panel. I believe if there is more power (without sacrifying quality), I would be a very very happy person. Hence my initial question.
Using Plinius house sound as reference, can anybody tell me how does a Innersound ESL 300 sounded like? On paper, it seems to be have lots of power for panel with low cost. FYI, I value the excellent tonal balance and midrange texture of the Plinius the most. Thanks in advance.
compared to the Plinius the Innersound is lighter in the midrange tone, more open, detailed and defined, with similar quality bass though different and less 'thick'(which was the best part of the amp to me). In short the Innersound was brighter with less midrange thickness. I would not usually want this but I think it was quite musical and worth a listen...