Genesis Time Lens


Hi,
I am currently using a laptop (using foobar)USB out to a cheap USB to SPDIF converter and into a Genesis Time Lens and then to my CJ DAC. I figure, the Time Lens will clean up any issues coming from the laptop and the cheap USB to SPDIF converter.

I noticed a lot of the new DACs have USB input. Am what I am using today essentially the same as the newer DACs, but with more boxes?
Thanks!
rich3549
"Am what I am using today essentially the same as the newer DACs, but with more boxes?"

In terms of function, yes.
Though it may be that the Genesis Lens offers improvements due to its jitter reduction and other features. Not sure how it compares to more recent options for providing the best possible digital signal.
The time lens still holds its own. I always wanted one, then Esoteric entered the upsampler/reclocker game so I went with the modern age but it does work, nicely. Nothing on the planet can help USB(besides a sledge hammer) though. we are on the eve of the world realizing USB is not for audio. Look at the new players coming out. No usb!
Most jitter bugs use a PLL circuit where they run the signal through a clock a number of times to try and clean it up ... the Genesis Lens uses a more sophisticated system where by it takes the incoming signal and strips the jittery clock and then stores the data/musical info in a buffer

The Lens then calls up the data out of the buffer and reunites it with a much cleaner and stable clock on the output instead of trying to restore the original jittery clock like a PLL system does ... Lens is much more effective

There’s a lot of USB dacs out there but I would venture to say they all use a PLL circuit to clean up the USB port

If you are committed to computer audio and the USB interface ... I would replace that
"cheap USB to SPDIF converter and into a Genesis Time Lens"
with a good quality one
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"If you are committed to computer audio and the USB interface ... I would replace that

"cheap USB to SPDIF converter and into a Genesis Time Lens"

with a good quality one"

Why not use one of Steve N's Synchro-Mesh reclockers? It looks like it does the same thing and is a new product in current production. The Time Lens is about 20 years old.
But, the time lens is bit perfect and the synchro mess isn't.
Cerrot, Try using the IFI USB power supply and IFI purifier/conditioner. It separates the power supply from the data, quite a remarkable little product.
I'm also using a Bryston BDP-2 for the player and now utilizing its USB output.
With the IFI unit, the USB is better than the SPIF outputs.
Ozzy, its an attempt but still lipstick on a pig. At least theyre trying. I prefer a good spdif direct from a good sound card or mother board. USB sputters and fails to squeeze out what I want to hear. The medium is plainly flawed for serious audio playback.
The Time Lens is an old product and not suited well to anything but CD players since it will overrun with long playlists. Much lower jitter clocks and faster logic interface technology is available now.

I used to mod several older reclockers, including the Monarchy DIP and Big Ben. With mods including a new clock, these were not bad, but nothing like the Synchro-Mesh. The resampling in the SM is a tiny SQ hit. Unless you use my USB interface in a very resolving, low-noise system to compare it to, you will not notice any SQ hit. It beats most transports and USB interfaces, except for my own.

Cerrot knows nothing of the Synchro-Mesh. He is only a constant irritant, like a bunion.

30-day money-back, less shipping so its low-risk to try one.

Steve N.
Empirical Audio
Hello Steve,

If my collection of music streaming from my laptop is ripped from my CD collection will upgrading from the Time Lens be worth it? I mentioned the Time Lens will overrun with long playlist. I am not sure I follow.

Thank you!
steve will offer no assistance to you other than
assisting you to purchase his products - 30 day money
back. At least bunions go away. The sychro mess is not
bit perfect - yet he never mentions it when he touts it.
says its not important. (sounds important) BUT, his more
expensive produts are bit perfect.
Rich - lower jitter will always make an improvement in the system sound, no matter what DAC you use.

The Time lens is designed as a large buffer that buffers an entire track, and multiple tracks. It is designed so that worst-case a full CD of tracks will still not overflow the buffer even if the difference in clock frequency between the CD player and the TL is at the maximum.

Playlists are another thing. There is no limit to the number of tracks that you can put in a playlist. Also, computer device outputs are often much further out of spec for frequency than CD players, based on my measurements, so it is fairly easy to overflow the buffer in the TL. IF this happens, you will not get jitter rejection and likely a lot of noise.

Steve N.
Empirical Audio
There is one particular bunion that never seems to go away. Don't you have a life?
My life is undressing you to all the hobbiests here for the self serving poster that you are. You can add value here, explain things, help people but all you do is tell everyone your stuff is better, 30 days free trial, blah blah blah. Why dont you look at other manufacturers contributions here and maybe (MAYBE, but I doubt it), you will see how pathetic you look. You can't make a post without toting your product. Do you not notice that you are the only manufacturer that does that?
Cerrot,

Don't take this the wrong way, but people like you always want everything both ways. You have a problem with Steve for discussing and recommending his products when he feels the discussion warrants it. This is something Audiogon allows, so he's not breaking any rules here. If he were to instead, not involve himself in any of the discussions, and make himself less available to potential and actual customers, you would complain that he's a typical high end audio thief, and takes the money and runs. Not caring about anyone or anything but himself.

So, given that, why do you feel the Audiogon community needs (and wants) you to undress him to everyone here? Most people here already know who he is and don't have an issue with him. Also, I see plenty of threads where he contributes without bringing up his products. Not that it even matters.
Using a reclocker introduces an additional cable into the equation. Before and after.

All this equal, are both cables jut as important or does the reclocker buffer clean the jitter up?
"All this equal, are both cables jut as important or does the reclocker buffer clean the jitter up?
Justubes2 (Answers | This Thread)"

As far as I know, the cables don't have anything to do with jitter. So if that’s the case, you would just by cables based on the same factors you use for other ones. Sound quality.
Zd542,

I disagree. Take a look at other designers posts. Steve is simply self serving and constantly promotes his own products, constantly saying everyones digital woes will be gone if you :try my product for 30 days". Thats not right. We need him to chime in on engineering principals, educational matters and, yes, opinions...not self serving, directorial advertisments. Take a peak at Ralph Karsten (Atmasphere) posts. He is awesome. He adds value, gives info and you would never even know he makes some of the best amps out there. he never tells someone, "well, your soundstage would widen if you bought my amp...". And, he can.
Steve's answered many questions for me over the last couple of years and has never tried to sell me anything. And so what if he did? I'm an adult. I know how to say no if I don't want to buy something.

I like Ralph from Atmasphere very much as well. He has answered some questions for me also. And while he doesn't try to sell me anything either, he does list that he's with Atmasphere, and that's advertising. Its a good thing, too. Had he not mentioned his company, I probably wouldn't have looked to his web site for a new preamp I may need. The UV-1 looks perfect for a new system that I’m putting together.

Also, consider the current market for audio products. It's only natural that Steve gets involved in more posts that are relevant to his business. There's a very big demand for entry level, high end digital products like usb converters, reclockers and dacs. Add to that, his products all get good reviews, and that I can't recall anyone complaining about them here, or anywhere else. Maybe your experience is different with him, but I see nothing that would justify such hard criticism.
Hi
I got two(2)Genesis Time lens and connected them together to maximize their effect on jitter reduction.
Also got other little boxes,in the closet,SF Ultrajitterbugs and Monarchy DIP.
In regards to Steve,my observation is that I agree for the most part with Cerritos comments,but I also do say,we need Steve around to come in and explain digital artifacts.
I have been reading on this ticket for ages and still don't have a clue. Pardon me.
So Steve sure is trying to sell his product but why wouldnt he?
Personally I am done with the little boxes that clean up the signal, and cost more than double,the item they are trying to correct in the first place.
But hey others don't mind paying,right?
I saw Steve on YouTube video once,and yeah.he looks like a good guy to me.
All the best
George
Hi
I got two(2)Genesis Time lens and connected them together to maximize their effect on jitter reduction.
Also got other little boxes,in the closet,SF Ultrajitterbugs and Monarchy DIP.
In regards to Steve,my observation is that I agree for the most part with Cerrot comments,but I also do say,we need Steve around to come in and explain digital artifacts.
I have been reading on this topic for ages and still don't have a clue. Pardon me.
So Steve sure is trying to sell his product but why wouldnt he?
Personally I am done with the little boxes that clean up the signal, and cost more than double,the item they are trying to correct in the first place.
But hey others don't mind paying,right?
I saw Steve on YouTube video once,and yeah.he looks like a good guy to me.
All the best
George
I am sorry for double posting, but I was trying to edit typing errors.
George
Zd, you are obviously a fan. I am not. My standard are a bit higher. I am always suspect of a pushy sales man. Any quality of Steves products are diluted by.... him.
"03-08-15: Cerrot
Zd, you are obviously a fan. I am not. My standard are a bit higher. I am always suspect of a pushy sales man. Any quality of Steves products are diluted by.... him. "

It has nothing to do with me being a fan. I just don't see any substance to your argument. Can you show me some examples of what you are talking about? You're entitled to your opinion, but I have standards too and won't just follow someone argument just because.
all you need to do is scroll through steves posts - compare them to any other maunfacturer. A blind man can see it.
No wonder I don't see it. I'm not blind.