Why lots of B&W Nautilus for sale used?


I see a lot of B&W Nautilus speakers for sale, mostly 804s and 805s and some 803s. Considering the Matrix was around for 10 years, you would think there would be lots of them for sale from upgrading, but no. So is the Nautilus really better than the older Matrix overall despite what we hear??
sugarbrie
Sound_decisions...the term "musical" is totally subjective and I seriously doubt that the gear you have mentioned as " more resloving" than the gears I have. I listened to Gryphon gears. They are definitely not my cut of tea.
Where did you hear this gear?,at a show?,because if you did then I agree with you completely.Gryphon gear a shows have always been brand new.The preamp takes about a month and the amp takes about 3 months.That is why I give every sell 6 months trial to asure complete break-in.When the first Gryphon Antillion came in I thought,oh my god I bought a Krell,I was very disaponted,my customers at the time were asking how it sounds and all I could say was so far I have the best sounding Krell on the planet.When month 3 came around it became the most INCREDIBLE amp I have heard to date!!I had to take a lot of gear on trade in.That is why now I do not except Krell or Levinson on trade-in.My customers will not except it so it just sits there like a boat ancor untill I take it in the shorts by offing it to some used hige-end store.I am sorry A94510 but it is way beyond your gear and can easly be proven with your own ears. I am saying all this from the heart.I am not some white shoes audio salesman.Ask George Cardas,Paul Hales,Mike Kelly to name a few.
The Gryphon gears have reliability problem. The newest Krell FPB series power amp is vastly superior, and to me "more musical" than the prior Krell amp.
Driver integration issues I addressed relate to the listening distance from the speaker (front-to-back), NOT lateral separation, as seemingly responded to in a few posts above.... I simply couldn't get the 804 (REALLY needs a sub!) or the 803 Nautilus to cohere until I stepped BACK 10-15 feet, which doesn't work in my room. Re the 802N reviews, I just received back issues of Sensible Sound, and refer you to David Moran's take on the 802N when measured at my friend Tom's house last year (#78, Dec/Jan 00). I believe part of the driver integration issue stems from the highish 400Hz croosover, requiring mounting of the woofers fairly high up, with a major dip in power response around 300 Hz. The poor vertical axis response shifts I found (with the 804 and 803) bothersome because I like a loudspeaker to sound good as I walk into the room, not just when seated. I assume that the highish upper crossover (4kHz) is difficult to work with, especially given the broad flare of the Nautilus tweeter, and that B&W chose to shelve the tweeter down to prohibit a too-hot response; thus the oft-mentioned midrange "shoutiness". I had thus similarly feared that the Verity design, which runs the 5" mid naked up to an astonishing 5.5kHz cross would have a similarly problematic transition, but it doesn't. I've NOT listened critically to the 802N...perhaps the midrange enclose is more successful than the 803/804 in several ways, but Messrs. Moran et al didn't think so. I've got to believe that the room setup (sidewall distance), and listening distance (and height!) are VERY critical for these latest B&Ws, and that that's why results vary so much, eh? Ernie