Raven v Walker. Colored v Accurate?


This post has been generated following Jonathan Valin’s recent review of the Raven AC-3/Phantom combination in TAS. What intrigues me is not that JV has been lucky enough to review and buy or have on permanent loan yet another world’s best product. A truly astounding strike rate for any reviewer it must be said. Rather, it is what JV readily describes as the colored sound of the Raven/Phantom combination and the apparent appeal of this sound compared with what JV described as the more accurate sound of the Walker that piques my curiosity. This is not, I hasten to add about the relative merits of either table or their arms. The intention is not to have a slug-fest between Walker and Raven owners.

What really interests me is how it is that a product that in the reviewer’s opinion more accurately conveys what is on the source material is perceived as somehow less emotionally satisfying than one which presumably exaggerates, enhances or even obscures some aspect of the recorded information, if one can accept that this is what colored sound or the product’s character is. It appears counter intuitive and the deliberation of the phenomenon is making me question my own goals in audio reproduction. These have been pretty much on the side of more accurate is better and more emotionally compelling with due consideration to financial constraints in my choice of equipment in achieving this goal.

On face value and if you can accept the hyperbole it appears that the colored is better route is a little like going to a concert and putting on a device that allows you to alter the sound you hear. You twiddle a couple of knobs, sit back with a smile on your face and say “Ah! That’s better, that’s what I want it to sound like” You like it but it’s not necessarily what the musicians intended you to hear.

It seems logical that the closer one can get to accurately reproducing every piece of information recorded onto the medium then the closer you should be able to get to the actual performance, together with all the acoustic cues existing at that performance. I am making an assumption here that the recording medium is actually capable of capturing these things in the first instance.

We have our 12 inch pieces of vinyl on the platters of two systems under evaluation. We are not in the recording booth. The musicians are not on hand to play the piece over and over so that we can compare the live sound to the master tape and even if we did every performance is unique so we can never compare a second or third live performance with the one we just recorded. How then can the accuracy of a turntable/arm/cartridge combination and its ability to convey the emotion of the recorded event truly be evaluated? Ideally we should at least have the master tapes at hand to play on the same system in which we are evaluating the TT’s. The comparison will of necessity still be subjective but the determination would seem to be more believable than if the master tape were not part of the evaluation. If the master tape gave the listener no emotional connection with the musicians then I would contend that there would be something fundamentally flawed in another part of the playback system.

So in evaluating the two combinations would the more accurate combination be the more emotionally appealing? I cannot see how it would be otherwise unless we just don’t like what has been recorded or the way it has been recorded, the musicians have not made an emotional connection with us and the slightly flawed copy is preferred to the original. Is this why God made tone controls?

I have used the words seems, appears and presume quite deliberately, not to have a bet each way but because I am cognizant of the fact that we are, in audio reproduction dealing with the creation of an illusion and creating that illusion with people who have varying levels of perception, different experiences and tastes, different playback media and different physical replay environments so the task at hand for audio designers, humble reviewers and even we poor consumers could not be more complex.
phaser
Mr. Valin
I sincerely apologize for my comments...

For a lack of a better word, I was flabbergast with the Zanden 1200 in a system I heard last year.
Well, Phaser and I had the pleasure to spend a few hours listening to halcro's system today.

To keep it short. The3 copperhead/XV-1s combination was in a different universe to the Davinci/universe combo.

The copperhead/xv1s combo was just sooo much better period.
Two questions:

1. Halcro: Do you know whether the difficulties setting up the Copperhead are also endemic to the Cobra?

2. Anyone: Is anyone aware of the US pricing for these two cartridges?
Halcro, many thanks once again for the great hospitality you showed Downunder and me. A most enjoyable day listening to both well known music and some new which I would like to hear again. While we listened to the Grandezza with the Universe and the Copperhead with the XV1s and therefore the comparisons between arms were less than ideal, I agree with Downunder that the Copperhead /XV1s combination was far superior. I must sate up front that it was the first time I had heard either arm or either cartridge and the system's balance was different to mine.

We were hearing in my view more the differences between the arms than differences between the cartridges. The Grandezza sounded rather bloated and less articulate. I am not talking nuance here. The differences were truly significant. With the Copperhead/XV1s combination the sound was far more controlled with little apparent emphasis in any part of the audio spectrum and just more natural and compelling in presentation. More detail if you will but with a greater level of relaxation as well.

For me, the Copperhead/XVis came closer in overall balance to my Vector 4/Orpheus combination. Given this listening experience, the Copperhead really looks like a contender. An impressive performance and well worth further enquiry as far as I am concerned
Phaser/Halcro/Downunder....One of you guys could have had the courtesy of answering the door bell,during "the" listening session!I also knocked "very" hard,especially after spending twelve hours on the plane to get there.

I heard alot of music coming from within,but no sounds of "life"!...SO...I took my superb Shiraz and went over to the local tennis courts,where I picked up a very nice game,and afterwards enjoyed the wine,with some "locals"(they turned out to be real "kidders") -:)
Maybe next time...G'day!