Get a Blose, I mean Bose system.
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I've got an old portable CD player from 1987 around here somewhere and when the rechargable battery runs down (pretty quickly now) it sounds VERY veiled with the highs completely gone. Lows too! It still sounds better then my neighbors Blose though.
Maybe you should just keep what'ya got and wax-impregnate some cotton balls and stick'em in your ears!
what evidence do you have that i am insincere ?
you have a right to prefer your stereo system to sound anyway you want.
why don't i have that right too ?
is there anything i said which sounds like i don't mean what i say ??
have i offended your sensibility and questioned your standards as to what constitues acceptable and/or good sound ??
i welcome a personal conversation.
perhaps i could learn from you.
TROLL ALERT!!!!! this guy could very well be sam tellig. that guy used to post over in AA and he was one of the worst trolls i've ever run across.
i can deal with unprofessional. this guy was just out to cause trouble. (much like the thread-starter)
the beuaty of trolls? - ignore them and they go away.
what right does anyone have to question my sincerity ?
it is your opinion that i want the worst sound. perhaps, you are listening to the worst sound, and i want the best sound. it's all a matter of opinion.
i'm sorry you are all taking it so personally.
evryone has the right to statisfy his/her sonic preferences without being judged by others.
remember, those who question my sincerity may at some future time have their integrity or sincerity questioned.
look in the mirror before questioning anyone's sincerity.
watch out someone may put a pin in your big ego.
i have tried ferrite beads, they do more harm than good. i am 64 years old. i have an all tube system with quad 63 speakers.
my preference runs toward a vvary dark and veiled sound. that is my taste.
i am really surprised so many people are reacting angrily, as if i have insulted them for prefrring a sound they don't liek and perhaps implying i am questioning their judgment as to the criteria ofr good sound.
if people just used logic and took my request literally at face value and tried to answer the question seriously with respect, i don't think we would be going back and forth on this.
an obvious answer to my question, which i am aware of is to use an equalizer and forget about the cd player.
i am surprised nobody has suggested that.
another answer/opinion would be that such a component does not exist as an amp, preamp, cd player or speaker.
i am slowly coming to that conclusion.
the reason for asking the question is the hope that i am wrong and there is a cd player that is consitent with my sonic preference, but i guess insecure audiophiles have their own agendas.
if people just used logic and took my request literally at face valueMembers using logic and taking your words at face value is what got us here in the first place Mrtennis. Let's revisit some of those words for a moment, shall we?
"i like a dull, veiled, laid,back, boring sound capable of putting me to sleep. i hate treble and i don't like detail. i like subtractive coloration to such an extent that all recordings sound the same...veil the sound and cut off the highs. darkness and dullsville is my motto"Followed up by this evergreen gem,
"what evidence do you have that i am insincere ?...is there anything i said which sounds like i don't mean what i say ??"Uhh, only everything?
[if people] tried to answer the question seriously with respect, i don't think we would be going back and forth on thisIf your post seemed either serious or respectful I might agree -- as it is, going back and forth appears to be what you wanted (it's called a troll, and yes I'm indulging you)
i am really surprised so many people are reacting angrily, as if i have insulted themDoubt anybody's actually angry or insulted. But surprised you shouldn't be if you waste people's time
an obvious answer to my question, which i am aware of is to use an equalizer and forget about the cd player.Velo62 did just that in the fifth response (now you can be surprised)
another answer/opinion would be that such a component does not exist as an amp, preamp, cd player or speaker.Hmm, ya think?
i am slowly coming to that conclusion.At 64? That is slow.
the reason for asking the question is the hope that i am wrong and there is a cd player that is consitent with my sonic preference, but i guess insecure audiophiles have their own agendasWell Mrtennis, when you have an agenda of 1 -- however secure -- you really can't expect an industry to cater to it
thank you mr z. for yor analysis.
you assume on the basis of my original post that i wasn't serious and therefore insincere and waisting peoples time. when you assume... you know the rest.
in the future it would be wise not to assume anything. it is certainly a nicer way to behave as a human being.
since i can in no way be responsible for your behavior, i question why you are so rude ?
you did not mention the preamp you are using, I assume tubes. Here is where I would start with the Mullard NOS tubes first. The Mullards will roll of the highs slightly. bass will be a little loose. Midrange lush and sweet.
Up until about three years ago I was using an Audio Research LS3 SS preamp with a Audio Research VT50 tube amp. I have hundreds of early CDs (late 80s early 90s) that just set in the rack. Sound quality was either harsh or bright sounding. At a moderate volume level listener fatique would come quicky after just listening to a couple of tracks. The ARC LS3 is a great SS preamp, problem is it will pass the source material straight through without adding anything or taking anything away. In other words, good in good out... Bad in bad out....
I tried different ics. Tried ferrite beads on the power cords of the CDP and preamp. I even tried an equalizer, didn't like that either. So I just quit listening to badly sounding CDs....
Then about three years ago my Son brought over a Sonic Frontiers SFL-1 Hybrid preamp for me to listen to. The unit uses a single 12AT7 tube. Two tubes came with the unit one Sovtek and one NOS Mullard. With the Sovtek installed the sound from my system, the preamp pretty much sounded like a SS preamp. Good CDs still sounded good. Bad CDs still sounded bad to me. Pulled the Sovtek and installed the Mullard tube. Right out of the gate I could hear a big difference. Highs were rolled off a tag, bass not quite as tight, midrange, warm, lush, wet. Old CDs, well, they did not sound great but listenable, not bad at all.
About two years ago I move onto a Sonic Frontiers Line One preamp. I have never tried Mullard tubes in the Line One. I do have a few pairs of the early 60s NOS Siemens CCa tubes, great tube but very pricey today. Also a few NOS pairs of Amperex USA PQ white label 6922 tubes, also a great sounding tube. At the present time I am running the PQs in my preamp.
As for the ARC VT50 I am using all EH tubes.
Here is a link to check out,
Mrtennis: Go back and reread my first post. If you were sincere, your seemingly highly satirical method of communicating it -- especially in light of your total lack of Audiogon history -- was completely out of whack. Sincere contributors, while they may joke around at times, aren't in the habit of posting threads that look for all the world like a troll. Personally, I'll stand by my very reasonable -- based on the evidence -- interpretation, and continue to think you might just be changing your tune now to wiggle out of a jam, or more likely still having your fun with a troll, until you acquire a track record around here to prove otherwise. It's nothing personal, just based on experience and what you wrote. I note I'm not the only one to take what you wrote the way I did. If I was wrong, I regret the misunderstanding, but don't feel I'm to blame for it. If you're not trying to have us on, then it's up to you not to come across like it.
thank you again mr. z for a thorough explanation.
ket me see if i understand the issue you raise.
i have indicated a desire to achieve a sonic presentation which lacks credibility with some individuals. i am allegedly desiring to attain the worst sound as phd staes and that position is not believable. it would then appear to some that i am disingenuous, or insincere in my request and have other agendas.
ok, you and others are entitled to your opinion.
you are implying that i am looking for a reaction and enjoying the result, so it seems.
if i say again that i dislike high frquencies and actually enjoy listening to a presentation devoid of clarity, will you now believe me or is such a position so unlikely that you still doubt the veracity of words.
my point is that in life one assumes innocent until proven otherwise.
you are assuming the opposite, i.e, accusing me and then saying the burdrn is on me to demonstrate the opposite.
i would hope a man of your education and intelligence, which by now i have great respect would take the opposite approach, namely, not a troll, or not an instigator, or not a churl until other facts are in.
as it stands now, i have gotten a few useful suggestions, accusations and the rest, sillyness.
just as you said, i don't take it seriously, audio is just a hobby.
i don't think that i am trying to extricate myself from a situation, because there is insufficient information to justify the attribute.
i bear no ill will to anyone.
you can see my other post which asks for information about cd players under construction which are not 24/192.
you made a valid point. will most likely not find the cd player of my dreams.
i may find one which does not irritate my ears, so if you have any constructive suggestions i would be glad to hear them.
my point is that in life one assumes innocent until proven otherwiseThat's life (or really only the platonic ideal of the justice system) -- this is the internet. Also, on the internet as in life, one should try to be cognizant of the rules of the game if one does not want to feel cheated by the experience. But we all have to start somewhere with every new venture.
if you have any constructive suggestions i would be glad to hear themIf what you're claiming is literally true, then I would guess you should probably go to an ear doctor, get tested, and maybe get fitted for a set of custom-tailored in-ear filters to make life, or at least listening, tolerable.
Rather than change the source, your target would be a FR that dips at 3kHz & falls over 10kHz, with no midbass coupling b/ween the spkrs (i.e. minimise "dynamics).
What you want can easily be achieved with some room padding (1st reflections for sure) and bad spkr positioning (this will help compromise dynamics). Also, you may try padding the spkrs' tweet. Use a +5W, 8-10ohm resistor across the tweets. Proceed carefully!
OTOH, why on earth would you do that??
I do understand what are you talking about. since day one of CD, i was thinking of them as sharp as hell medium. during the years every generation of CD players have better sharpness, resolution, details and so on, which makes them up until now pretty unlistenable and harsh. when I read reviews which have spoken about 'clear sound' of a certain CD player I know it is a signal to avoid such thing. CD's are too much clear in nature, so i don't understand why people even today are chasing clearer and more detailed sound. return of tubes is a sign of something is gone wrong with that sound.
well, i can tell how slow, soft, warm, boring, and rolled off sound has Audio Analogue Primo CD. it is 18-bit machine and it will not offend you in any way.
Mr Tennis -
Do Try a Jolida CD Player. I have one. It is a very warm sounding player. Even moreso if you put a mair of Mullards in it. I would also try a Rega cd player, as they have a quite warm "house sound," which is strange to me, because their turntables are very different.
However - given your taste, I wonder why you are not an analog guy? A VPI table with a Koetsu or even Grado cartridge sounds right up your alley.
i am considering a granite audio 657, a unison unico and someone suggested a jolida.
i'm beginning to realize that the best i can get, is a cd player that is balanced, without any undue emphasis upon any part of the frequency spectrum.
i am focusing on tubed cd players because there is a chance that finding a nos tube might create some subtractive coloration, especially with respect to high frequencies.
my experience at CES and Stereophile shows, tells me that 24/192 players with up sampling will only highlight the flaws of bad recordings.
most cd players today are 24/192, including the jolida, so i have to hope that the right tube can partially compensate for the high resolution of current cd players.
i also realize that most audiophiles like the high resolution format, so i ahev been criticized somewaht for taking a very unpopular position.
hopefully, as i explain myself and people get to hear some of my comments they will realize i not trying to a non conformist for its own sake.
Mr Tennis - The Jolida is actually 24/92.
Though to be honest, I don't think less "resolution" is the sound that you're looking for.
I think you are looking for a sound that is warm, with ample midbass and lowermidrange, and subdued upper frequencies that is as non offensive as possible.
The thing is - you can have this sound while still maintaining the resolution in the frequency spectrum EQ'd with equipment and room the way you want it.
More resolution means more "real," a step closer to what actual acoustic music performed in front of you right in front of you.
You sound like someone who needs a turntable.??? All of this will be moot, because there won't be any sampling or bits.
But anyway, to pursue your sound, start with any high quality, warmish cd player, and use the room and your speakers to tune to your sound. Fight that right preamp that sounds just right to you.