Surprised at how turntable sounds


Hi,

I'm new here and I hope this, my first post, is in the right spot.

I'm hoping for some feedback and help about what happened with a turntable I've just got.  My system has two Dynakit Mk 3 60w monoblocks, a Sonos Port, two B&W 702 S3 speakers, a nas with my music saved as flac files, and a new Denon DP-25F turntable.  

I've only recently set this up.  I've had the monoblocks for quite a while and have been impressed with how they sound.  The B&W speakers are pretty new, and are probably the stars of the system.  To me they're amazing.  The nas is nothing new; I've been using it for years as my music source.

Other than the new turntable, I've been blown away with how great everything sounds.  Even my wife is impressed.

I've just set the Denon up.  I've been wanting to get a turntable again for years, obviously not for the convenience, but because of what I've heard about analogue audio.  I was really surprised when I heard it.  What I expected was lush, full sound.  I thought it might even sound better than music with nas files as the source.  I hoped it would.

It didn't sound better.  It was - what I can best think of to describe it - "thin" sounding.  Switching from the LP to the nas and back was quite a difference.  The nas music sounded great - rich, full, and deep smooth bass.  The music from the turntable was better with "loudness" turned on in the Sonos app, but still sounded mostly acceptable for a party.  Something I wouldn't listen to all that closely.

The cartridge is a DSN-82 stylus.  Should that be adequate, or better than adequate, for my system?  Would I do well to get a new cartridge?

Should I get a new turntable?  

Anything else?

Thanks much in advance for reading, and any suggestions that will help me understand what's going on.

martinlb

Thanks much to everyone who's taken the time to be helpful.  I very much appreciate it and am starting to get some ideas.  The Denon turntable definitely will go back.  I might leave the credit I've got with Crutchfield and go where I can get something they don't have.  I'm leaning toward the Fluance and to avoid too much potential for $tep by $tep continuous upgrades I think I like the idea of the RT87.

I guess I'm absolutely turned off by the idea of paying for a turntable that's got stuff I don't want (like blueteeth) because it's got to be compensated for either by higher cost to me or something sacrificed to cover the cost to the manufacturer. 

I've got a question about the grounding connection that comes with some turntables.  Only some.  The Sonos doesn't have a ground connection point, and I'm wondering if that matters if the turntable has it and I can't connect it.  ?

I've got another component I built from a kit, but haven't needed yet for what I've been doing with this relatively new setup.  It's a tube based preamp, an Elekit 8550.  That eliminates the need for a preamp in the turntable, which would be another cost boost or quality drop.

ghedger42, I relate to a lot of what you said, like about having a setup that sounds like a live performance when playing a recording of one.  I haven't listened to one yet with the Dynakit monoblocks and B&W speakers but I'm looking forward to it.  I think that's a good test.  I can do it with the nas files now.  Then once I've got a decent turntable I can compare.  I'm looking forward to that!

FWIW, I recently bought the Audio Technica LP8X.  I have a belt drive turntable and an idler wheel drive turntable, so I wanted a direct drive turntable.  So far, I am impressed.  I know this is a Chinese OEM table, but it is built to a high spec.  I upgraded the included cartridge with the Audio Technica Shibata stylus.  It’s a very quiet turntable with full sound.  Clicks and pops seem minimized compared to my slightly modded Thorens TD166 Mk2 with Ortofon OM-40 pickup.  I also upgraded the power cord and replaced the cables with Pine Tree Audio cables.

@martinlb the ground wire goes between turntable and phono stage. Then the phono stage connects to your Sonos with rca cables. 

I would buy used, your money would go 2,3 times farther

The quality difference between album a or b can be night and day. You are probably used to the consistency of digital. Analog can sound different, better, richer, more detailed when you get everything right.

Buy the best phono stage you can afford. 

Rega P3 with an ND cartridge is a sweetspot Entry level in the hifi world but what a great entry!

When I wanted a brand new turntable to add to my collection of a dozen I bought a Pioneer PLX1000 - $699 from Sweetwater. I added a Denon 103R lomc cartridge ($350). What influenced me was Herb Reichert's positive review in Stereophile. Add that to the fact that the Pioneer was half the price of a comparable Technics direct drive. I already had a secondhand Technics 1200. I am happy with the build quality and sound of the Pioneer/Denon 103R.