End Game Phono Preamp (tube)


Before you say ALLNIC a few caveats - I will only be using one TT so only need one input (MC). ALLNIC has up to 4 which is a lot of extra engineering I don't need and don't want to pay for. I'm coming from a very much loved Hagerman Trumpet MC with all the finest (to my ears) NOS tubes, external linear power supply, upgraded footers. It sounds terrific but I just have to scratch that itch to see if I can do better. If the only improvement I'll be getting by going up the food chain is less hiss, well, I can live with the existing hiss truthfully. I'd be expecting improved imaging, depth, resolution, cymbal decay beauty. Maybe I have it all now... if anyone has first hand experience with the Trumpet and can with an informed opinion offer a better option I'm all ears (hehe). 

fastricky

theres no fallacy or falsehood, @atmasphere. it is what it is.  its not my opinion but the aggregate experience and expertise of folks, especially tube audiophiles, whove tried headamps (or whatever you want to call and additional gain stage between an MC phono cart and the phono amp) and SUTs.  

the consensus or near consensus preference is pairing an MC with the appropriate SUT. 

@cey There's no consensus. You'd have to do quite a bit of polling to get to that, and no such polling exists. BTW I'm not talking about headamps. I am talking about a phono section that has no problem with a LOMC cartridge running straight in. If we're talking about a headamp I might be inclined to agree with you...

@mgrif104 We don't make stand alone phono sections since there are too many problems with connecting that phono section into the rest of the system. If the phono section is built in, you can eliminate those variables. Our balanced preamps were all designed to be phono reproducers as number one.

The second goal was to eliminate interconnect cable colorations, which is done by running balanced lines both at the tonearm output (where interconnect coloration control is paramount) and between the preamp and amplifier. We've been making balanced line preamps longer than most; the MP-1 was introduced in 1989. To control the interconnect between the amp and preamp we patented a new method of supporting AES48, the balance line standard. Before we did that there were only two ways to do it. Our method employs direct coupling, so a nice side benefit is no coupling caps at the output of the preamp to add coloration. 

If I were to recommend a phono section it would be one where the design does not require the user to have to deal with 'cartridge loading' as I mentioned before. I explained why.  If a designer includes cartridge loading for a LOMC cartridge, it makes me wonder if they know what they are doing.

It might be that they do and are simply not fighting the myth that LOMC cartridges need to be 'loaded'...

@atmasphere no, i dont have to do polling because its already been done. the sample is already taken for me, and all i had to do is read the english language feedback and polls that are out there already. its not a huge sample. the opinions congregate in discrete intervals. 

im not sure of the exact topology of yours, but,  mc phono stages are mm RIAA phono amps with a built-in headamp (additional gain stage at the front with loading, be it opamp or jfet or whatever). 

as with all real-world norms, there are real world exceptions. 




 

Greetings 

There are a lot of great sounding phono preamps out there. Best of luck in your search.

My main phono preamp is a Aesthetix IO Eclipse, with 1 power supply .To my ears a really sweet sound.  No problem driving low output MC cartridges that I have.

The IO will drive my very low output Denon DL-S1 cartridge (0.15mv) with ease. I usually use a SUT with the DL-S1 going into a SS phono drive, but the IO sounds sweeter. I haven’t use the DL-S1 in a few years, it’s a very nice cartridge, but I prefer my other cartridges more.

Joe Nies
 

 

@sksos1 -  NVO is still in business they never had a website. 

Not having a website puts a huge damper on researching, sales, and reviews. Maybe NVO wants small about of sales and manufacturing of units like Decware who’s overloaded 3yrs out. Reminds me to get on their waitlist list for my foray into low watt tube midrange magic while keeping a lid on tube rolling expenditures.

NVO SPA-One SE 14 tubed phono - Wow, they’re up to version 14 from the last published version 2? 

I can recommend audio research phono stages.  I have an old Ref 2SE model that was bought 2nd hand a very good price.  Easy to change the tubes yourself and nothing super exotic