Do You Ever Get Glare/Raspy Sound on High Pitched Female Vocal Lines?


I sometimes get a harsh glare or slightly raspy sound on female vocal lines when they sing loud, high pitched notes.  It’s hard to explain the sound exactly, but if you’ve ever experienced it, you’ll know what I’m speaking of.  Two examples are Norah Jones, Don’t Know Why at 1:57 with line  “You’ll be ON my mind”.   The other is Michael Bluble’s Quando, Quando, Quando featuring Nelly Furtardo.  Her line “I can’t wait a moment more, Tell me quando, quando, quando” at 1:53 is another good example.  This happens at moderate to fairly loud volume levels. 

Trying to determine if it’s coming from the midrange section or quasi ribbon tweeter, I’ve disconnected the speaker jumpers from one while keeping the other jumped and found it occurs in both the midrange and the tweeters.  I’ve also swapped out two other DACs and have bypassed the preamp by going directly to the amp from the DACS, but it makes no difference.  It doesn’t sound like clipping distortion or typical speaker breakup.  I’ve even inserted 1 ohm resistors on the Magnepans  and while it reduces it a bit, it’s still there.  I can also hear it to a somewhat lesser degree on my old Theil 1.5s and KEF KS50s at fairly loud, but not crazy volume levels.  Both of those speakers are driven with 400 watt @ 4 Ohms and a 300 watt @ 4 Ohms amps respectively.  I can’t imagine that I’m clipping the amps.

Does anyone else have this occur on their systems?  Any ideas on what’s going on here?

My system is Magnepan 3.7x speakers, PS Audio Airlens, Stellar Gold DAC, PMG Signature preamp & BHK 250 amp, streaming Tidal. 

stevehardy1

Timely topic for me.  I just got new speakers (Martens) and thought they sounded 'bright'.  A friend of mine comes over and says that's really the upper midrange.  I then think back to some of my previous speakers (Magico S7 and the dark A3s) and they each exhibited the same upper midrange glare.  That's when I realized it was my room and not necessarily my gear.  I'm now looking to treat my room differently with more absorption in front of the speakers and maybe a little more behind the speakers, though I hope not to change too much behind the speakers.  We'll see how long it takes to tweak it to get a more balanced sound....

 

Only one here mentioned EQ, though many mentioned series resistors to attenuate the tweeter (kinda the same thing).  It’s too bad few companies include tone controls on their gear.  On my Luxman L-590AxII a simple twist of the treble control to about 10:30 cures brightness and/or harshness problems that are all too common on today’s recordings.  The effect is predictable, variable, reversible, and free. I gave up worrying about “extra circuits” in the signal path long ago..  And when EQ is unnecessary, I can simply bypass it with a simple tap of the source direct button. 

I think Norah Jones has a unique voice and style. With the songs she wrote she popularized a genre limited to a few 10PM bar performances and village record stores. Maybe she was in the right place at the right time, but she had to put in all the work, every minute of it.

@stevehardy1 

My system is Magnepan 3.7x speakers

my other systems with KEF LS50

Norah Jones, Don’t Know Why at 1:57 with line  “You’ll be ON my mind”

I measured it at a little under 1.2kHz. Maybe the ribbons are vibrating in an uncontrolled manner and need maintenance. As for the KEF, it has a dip from 1-2kHz but within it a blip around 1.3kHz, nothing conclusive points to the speaker. I lean on either you or the Maggies, then the source or gear in that order.

There is no raspy type of distortion on my system played through my Esoteric K-01XD se CD/SACD player with Vienna Acoustics Liszt speakers (soft dome tweeters) and a Luxman 509Z integrated amplifer.  My thought is that it may be the speakers, but that's just a guess.