Can a off the shelf DAC, if engineered/implemented good, sound as good as a custom DAC?


I heard 2 conflicting rules for DAC chips:

1) It's not so much about the DAC chip, but how well it is implemented

2) Custom DAC chips will beat off the shelf DAC (ie ESS) chips anyday 

 

So my question is... if for instance, the all in one DAC streamer Sim Audio Moon 891 which uses a ESS DAC chip... can it sound as good a Grimm Audio MU2, Lumin X2, or M3I which all have custom in house dacs? 

dman777

@dman777 "So my question is... if for instance, the all in one DAC streamer Sim Audio Moon 891 which uses a ESS DAC chip... can it sound as good ..."

The short answer is yes, it can sound as good. Whether it does or not is a much longer discussion with your subjective tastes as the ultimate deciding factor.

Flagship DAC chips from AKM and ESS are like new high performance crate engines from an auto manufacturer (e.g. Ford Coyote V8). The implementation, meaning the tuning, chassis, and suspension is entirely the work of the builder. The engine itself is capable of world class performance in the right hands, but how well that capability is utilized and supported is a product of engineering, and if you enjoy driving the end result enough to buy it is another matter altogether. 

The good news is you should be able to negotiate an evaluation period for anything in this price tier and take the time to decide for yourself.

DAC chips are pretty well refined in 2026 , it is their implementation but more importantly the analog stage that makes a DAC sound good.  

 

@dman777 

The job of a DAC chip is to convert digital samples into an analog signal. I believe that most modern, widely used DAC chips are already extremely accurate, so audible differences often come more from the surrounding circuitry than from the chip itself.  

In other words, assuming the audio system is properly matched, it is usually everything before and after the DAC chip INCLUDING the power supply, clocking, filtering, and output stage, etc. that makes a DAC based component sound great.

@axpert 

+1, I own the SCHIIT YGGY+ LIM DAC and like it very much    The LIM DAC setup was easy, though I do wish the input symbols were larger and easier to read.  I use one USB input from my Infigo Auto IS-1 Streamer (uses Audirvana Studio ) and one Toslink input from my LG OLED TV. 

The addition of the SCHIIT YGGY+ LIM DAC to my audio system has substantially improved my sound quality.   I immediately noticed my system sounds much better.  The music is clearer, bass is more powerful, and imaging has improved.  This is the best sounding DAC I have ever owned.