Do You Ever Get Glare/Raspy Sound on High Pitched Female Vocal Lines?


I sometimes get a harsh glare or slightly raspy sound on female vocal lines when they sing loud, high pitched notes.  It’s hard to explain the sound exactly, but if you’ve ever experienced it, you’ll know what I’m speaking of.  Two examples are Norah Jones, Don’t Know Why at 1:57 with line  “You’ll be ON my mind”.   The other is Michael Bluble’s Quando, Quando, Quando featuring Nelly Furtardo.  Her line “I can’t wait a moment more, Tell me quando, quando, quando” at 1:53 is another good example.  This happens at moderate to fairly loud volume levels. 

Trying to determine if it’s coming from the midrange section or quasi ribbon tweeter, I’ve disconnected the speaker jumpers from one while keeping the other jumped and found it occurs in both the midrange and the tweeters.  I’ve also swapped out two other DACs and have bypassed the preamp by going directly to the amp from the DACS, but it makes no difference.  It doesn’t sound like clipping distortion or typical speaker breakup.  I’ve even inserted 1 ohm resistors on the Magnepans  and while it reduces it a bit, it’s still there.  I can also hear it to a somewhat lesser degree on my old Theil 1.5s and KEF KS50s at fairly loud, but not crazy volume levels.  Both of those speakers are driven with 400 watt @ 4 Ohms and a 300 watt @ 4 Ohms amps respectively.  I can’t imagine that I’m clipping the amps.

Does anyone else have this occur on their systems?  Any ideas on what’s going on here?

My system is Magnepan 3.7x speakers, PS Audio Airlens, Stellar Gold DAC, PMG Signature preamp & BHK 250 amp, streaming Tidal. 

stevehardy1

@stevehardy1 I think your conclusion "My hunch is that the new pre is so revealing that it exposes every wart" has a lot of merit.  I upgraded my VAC signature 200's to the VAC 300 Mk II amps.  There was A LOT more information and clarity that wasn't present with the 200's-mostly good but some bad.  I had the exact same experience with the Norah  Jones album. Nothing else changed.  My room is dedicated and has a fair amount of acoustic treatment.  I talked with the folks at VAC and their response was that I was hearing an "honest" representation of the recorded material.  Power conditioning can help tame that upper end.  If you aren't using a conditioner, perhaps your dealer will let you demo a PS Audio conditioner.  For sure if you have silver cables, I would switch to copper.  In the past all of my upgrades were only positive.  I know now that with more revealing upper end equipment, honesty isn't always nice.

@audphile1 

"There are thousands of Norahs out there and they are playing bar and smorgasbord gigs. The difference between them and Norah Jones is their father isn’t Ravi Shankar."

I think she achieved her notoriety on her own merits. Come Away with Me was new and fresh in a music world full of moribund. I have the original CD release which is a beautiful recording and nearly flawless. Those having issues with the sound quality of their systems should look to their own inability to get it right rather than disparage an extremely talented artist!

@faustuss 

I also own the original CD and from the first listen my opinion was formed and it never changed.

Thing about music, and art in general, is that there are so many choices that there’s always going to be something you really like that others don’t care for. That’s the beauty of it.
 

Timely topic for me.  I just got new speakers (Martens) and thought they sounded 'bright'.  A friend of mine comes over and says that's really the upper midrange.  I then think back to some of my previous speakers (Magico S7 and the dark A3s) and they each exhibited the same upper midrange glare.  That's when I realized it was my room and not necessarily my gear.  I'm now looking to treat my room differently with more absorption in front of the speakers and maybe a little more behind the speakers, though I hope not to change too much behind the speakers.  We'll see how long it takes to tweak it to get a more balanced sound....

 

Only one here mentioned EQ, though many mentioned series resistors to attenuate the tweeter (kinda the same thing).  It’s too bad few companies include tone controls on their gear.  On my Luxman L-590AxII a simple twist of the treble control to about 10:30 cures brightness and/or harshness problems that are all too common on today’s recordings.  The effect is predictable, variable, reversible, and free. I gave up worrying about “extra circuits” in the signal path long ago..  And when EQ is unnecessary, I can simply bypass it with a simple tap of the source direct button.