What is the norm? How many of you use the subsonic filter with your turntable?


I am trying to figure out the norm. If you own a turntable, do you use the subsonic filter on your phono preamp to keep from woofer excursion? 

dman777

Actually, I forgot to ask this also... for those that do not use a subsonic filter... are you using that weight that sits on top of a vinyl while it plays to keep it pressed down? 

@dman777 I use both a 750 gr record weight and a 1500 gr peripheral ring, but even if I don't use them at all I still don't need a low cut filter. 

First, if you carefully match your cartridge's mass and compliance to that of your tonearm you should be able to achieve an optimum vertical and horizontal resonance of between 8 and 12Hz. This is precisely what you do to ameliorate the effects of record warp information being amplified and sent to your speakers.

@dman777 @faustuss ^^ This!!

My preamp has bandwidth to 4Hz. I've no problem with excess woofer excursion at all.

One must also consider the resonant frequency of the cartridge/arm setup. The goal here is to place that resonance between 7 and 10 Hz. 

This resonance causes an increase in noise (separate from the system noise) that peaks at the resonant frequency. that peak can be quite broad or it can be narrow, depending on damping. 

In my system, that peak occurs at about 50dB below the signal (1KHz test signal). My system can reproduce frequencies down to about 5Hz. This frequency band is not audible and may not cause woofer pumping, but it does use up some power in the amp and preceding components. The KAB RF-1 that I use cuts this peak by about 30dB, very significant. The loss at 20Hz is about 2dB.

This is another factor to considering whether to use an ultrasonic filter or not. I use on as I find it very effective at significantly reducing resonance noise as well as rumble.