Is Sound Stage an artifact of recording?


Yesterday had the opportunity to hear a fine chamber music concert featuring musicians from the NY Philharmonic in a small modern chapel with a slightly domed wooden roof. We sat about 15-20 feet from the musicians. The all acoustic sound was excellent. The Schubert Trout piano quintet  and Brahms piano quartet in G were the program. Afterwards while de-briefing at dinner with an audiophile friend who went with me and our wives, he made the point that despite the excellent acoustics and premier seating he could not close his eyes and see a "sound stage" during the concert. I had noticed the same thing. The locations of the instruments were diffuse. You could not pinpoint the location of the violin as you might expect you could on a good recording of the same work! We agreed that this was not the first time we had noticed this about live music. So I put the question to learned assembly here on Audiogon. Is sound stage something that is invented or perhaps just an artifact of the recording process to help us get the illusion of real musicians playing in front of us. Responses from those of you who have made recordings will be particularly appreciated.

bruce19

An effort to recreate a 'concert hall experience' is a great way to put it. So, whatever it takes. We don't want flat sound, that's for sure, we want it to be three dimensional.

Yes, I don't care much about too sharp imaging, it feels artificial, it's got to be balanced and somewhat diffused.

Ideally, one system for all kinds of music, in reality - no, too expensive, requires very big room and swapping in and out certain components.

My modest system tailored to reproducing vocal and acoustic guitar more or less realistically. Also for ambient and tribal ambient music. It is not bad for jazzrock but not good either. And for big orchestra performance - forget it, can't handle it.

Op ... I still maintain that depending on your musical tastes you might be able to build and acoustically excellent system for not very much money if it is tailored to certain types of music. Alternatively you can build a system and room that is breathtakingly good with all music but it will be rather expensive.

I will step back, listen, and learn what 'audiophiles' are going to say about genre-specific system building and its cost implications—specifically, which fundamental elements in music are required by certain genres but not others, and how these differences translate into cost differentials in room acoustics and audio components.

What a great opportunity to learn in this high-class forum!

Very interesting topic. Listen to mono jazz and classical recordings on “big” system, e.g., Western Electric 12A/13A or Altec VoT placed properly in a good room with proper amplification and it will sound close to live (very difficult to reproduce live dynamic transients). The body loves it, feels real.

Same recordings (good ones) in stereo on same system will give you spooky imagery, soundstage, and precision of spatial presence.  The brain loves it, feels dream like.

I am fortunate to know how these things work, any perceivable sounds take is simply down to Microphone placement and the type of Microphone employed. The worst recording I have heard was a CD of Beethoven's Moonlight Apassionata played by Ashkenazy. The Microphone positions include an Overhead which is so badly proportioned I had to turn it off and in the end took the item away. One of the best I have heard albeit not placement, but it does show what a Mic is capable of is Carl Orff Carmina Burana (Andre Previn). Unbelievable!!! this was in my research using a Zero Heat Class A. So what I have said may not be provided generally speaking.

@bruce19 

Good points you bring up.  I feel my home system in many ways, trumps live performances and can be more engaging because of the relatively precise imaging produced by the recording technology. 

@allears4u  Yes, the chair is an added plus.  At 6'4,  legroom at most venues can be painfully cramped.

One aspect of live performances that most recordings cannot match however, are micro dynamics.  That is one reason I prefer high efficiency horns for my home system over conventional speakers.