VPI non-Anti Skate Q


I'm sure this Q has been discussed before, but I haven't seen an answer.


I see most brands using Anti Skate as protection from damage to both LP and stylus. VPI is the only brand I see not using it, as they have a different approach that their arms naturally provide anti-skate force.


My Q for VPI Signature 21 using Fatboy Gimbal 10-3D Tonearm: would not using anti-skating be perfectly safe for stylus and LP, same as to other brands who use anti-skate?

Thanks a lot!

mard

Ignoring, or Denying the importance of Anti-Skate is a pet peeve of mine.

VPI being historically guilty IMO. and over many years people quote them as a trusted source.

No doubt, getting Anti-Skate right is the hardest part of tonearm calibration.

I just experienced an anti-skate issue on a different tonearm related to Tonearm wiring 'Pushback' similar to what VPI advocates with their 'twist of wire' 'pushback' anti-skate solution.

The problem is, 'twisted/stiff wire pushback' cannot be calibrated, or made consistent throughout the arc.

To be careful, and as exact as possible, then to rely on this inconsistent solution is unacceptable to me.

My long arm came with very tiny very flexible litz wires that had no pushback as the arm pivoted. A dangling string like SME for anti-skate, worked well for several years.

Each silk covered wire had 37 strands, impossibly thin.

The silk wore off, hum developed, VAS rewired the arm and put a VPI mini-din connector and VPI junction box. 

They rounded the bottom edge of the hole the wire passed thru (original design flaw since modified), the wire is similar to VPI wire, and a protective sleeve thru the hole

I can no longer set the anti-skate with the dangling weight, because the stiffer wire, even without a twist, pushes back. How much? I don't know. Consistent thru the arc? Nope.

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here's the Anti-Skate Mechanism that was developed years later for older models

https://www.vpidirect.com/products/anti-skate-mechanism

If you ever had an SME arm with the dangling weight, you appreciate their solution.

OP

Reading, comments from both Soundsmith and other re-builders, anti-skate is NOT being properly solved, by us (not amateurs), with refined expensive equipment, setup carefully by .... using .... tools..

I just confirmed again, with Steve Leung of VAS Audio:

MOST cartridges sent in for re-tip/re-build have uneven wear, one side of the stylus worn more than the other. Improper Anti-Skate the cause.

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One reason I prefer light tracking cartridges, i.e. 1.25 g rather than say 2.0 g, (2.0 g is not excessive, but it is +60% force) is IF your anti-skate is off, lets say by 50%, then the amount of force error is also -60% than it would be at 50% of 2.0 g.

No doubt, getting Anti-Skate right is the hardest part of tonearm calibration.

I couldn't disagree more. I think zenith is not only trickier to get right, but it's overlooked altogether by many users. And you can hear the improvements when you get it right.

What's this...a VPI to AS or not AS question?

As if there isn't enough VPI AS threads already😂

Longtime NO AS(GASP) VPI user. 

The stylus is wearing uneven and my LP's are worn on the right side.

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