VPI non-Anti Skate Q


I'm sure this Q has been discussed before, but I haven't seen an answer.


I see most brands using Anti Skate as protection from damage to both LP and stylus. VPI is the only brand I see not using it, as they have a different approach that their arms naturally provide anti-skate force.


My Q for VPI Signature 21 using Fatboy Gimbal 10-3D Tonearm: would not using anti-skating be perfectly safe for stylus and LP, same as to other brands who use anti-skate?

Thanks a lot!

mard

OP

Reading, comments from both Soundsmith and other re-builders, anti-skate is NOT being properly solved, by us (not amateurs), with refined expensive equipment, setup carefully by .... using .... tools..

I just confirmed again, with Steve Leung of VAS Audio:

MOST cartridges sent in for re-tip/re-build have uneven wear, one side of the stylus worn more than the other. Improper Anti-Skate the cause.

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One reason I prefer light tracking cartridges, i.e. 1.25 g rather than say 2.0 g, (2.0 g is not excessive, but it is +60% force) is IF your anti-skate is off, lets say by 50%, then the amount of force error is also -60% than it would be at 50% of 2.0 g.

No doubt, getting Anti-Skate right is the hardest part of tonearm calibration.

I couldn't disagree more. I think zenith is not only trickier to get right, but it's overlooked altogether by many users. And you can hear the improvements when you get it right.

What's this...a VPI to AS or not AS question?

As if there isn't enough VPI AS threads already😂

Longtime NO AS(GASP) VPI user. 

The stylus is wearing uneven and my LP's are worn on the right side.

Next...

@cleeds 

your are right, however,

most of us ASSUME manufacturing perfection regarding zenith, and most are unwilling to spend $1,100. for AnalogMagik, (even if aware of the possibility, and Wally’s error % findings).

AI Quickie

"Azimuth and zenith are two distinct cartridge alignment parameters that address different angular errors:

  • Azimuth refers to the vertical plane angle of the cartridge, viewed from the front.  It is the tilt of the cantilever left or right relative to the record surface. The goal is to have the stylus sit perfectly perpendicular to the groove walls to minimize crosstalk (signal leakage between channels) and maximize channel separation. It is typically adjusted by tilting the tonearm up or down at its pivot or by shimming the cartridge. 

  • Zenith refers to the horizontal plane angle of the cartridge, viewed from above.  It is the rotation of the cartridge (like turning a clock face) to align the stylus with the record groove, compensating for errors where the stylus diamond is not mounted at a perfect 90-degree angle to the cantilever. Incorrect zenith shifts the tracking error null points and increases distortion. It is adjusted by rotating the cartridge slightly in the headshell. 

In short, azimuth is vertical tilt, while zenith is horizontal rotation.  Both are critical for optimal stereo imaging and low distortion, and both are best set using electronic measurement tools like AnalogMagik for accuracy."

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I should add, in addition to anti-skate, imbalanced one-sided wear of a stylus can occur by improper Azimuth, and/or Zenith, either/both of which can be more harmful to the LP’s grooves than slight anti-skate error. 

Especially if using an advanced stylus shape, closer to the shape of the cutter blade that made the grooves. This is why more careful alignment is needed when using those desirable shapes

 

 

Thanks for all the responses!

So, are you saying there might be damage to my LP now with non-anti skate?

Should i use Anti Skate in VPI?   Or what best suggestion?

I’m really worried about LP damage!