Gotta admit I'm a bit envious of Steve Guttenberg getting an idea about what to try -- for free, with no price limit on what he gets and no restocking fee. That would be cool! Nice work if you can get it...
Expanding the Class D Conversation: How Would You Characterize Their Differences?
Expanding the Class D Conversation: How Would You Characterize Their Differences?
I'm currently trialing the NAD M23 (1st gen. Eigentakt-based), and I find it intriguing enough to want to understand it better — which means understanding the broader sonic landscape of class D. So I'm crowd-sourcing.
In a recent exchange, the estimable Ralph Karsten (Atma-Sphere Music Systems) made two comments that stopped me cold. For those who missed it, here's what he said:
"IME, class D amps vary in sound more than tube amps, which is to say, quite a lot."
"IMO there is a bigger difference between various class D amps than you hear between various tube amps. IOW just because you heard one class D amp says nothing about how the next one might sound."
Link: https://forum.audiogon.com/posts/2885828
As I think through this more carefully, these are genuinely important claims. My own experience with tube amps confirms that they produce audibly distinct characters across topologies and designs. If Ralph is right and class D exceeds that range, then generalizing from one class D experience to another is even more hazardous than I assumed.
One specific question for Audiogon members:
If you have a Class D amp or have compared class D amplifiers, how would you describe their character(s)?
Here are some criteria I use:
- Frequency balance — Is the tonal response even across bass, mids, and treble, or does it favor certain regions?
- High-frequency texture — Are the highs extended and smooth, or edgy, grainy, and fatiguing?
- Bass definition — Is the low end tight and articulate, or loose and bloated?
- Midrange character — Does the midrange feel present and natural, or recessed and thin?
- Transient speed — Does the amp respond quickly to dynamic attacks, or does it sound sluggish and rounded?
- Dynamic range — Does it scale convincingly from quiet passages to loud ones, or compress the difference?
- Soundstage width and depth — Does it create a convincing three-dimensional image, or sound flat and narrow?
- Image specificity — Are instruments and voices placed precisely, or do they blur and wander?
- Background noise floor — Is the silence between notes actually silent, or is there grain, haze, or hash?
- Long-term listenability — After an extended session, do you want to keep listening, or has something been quietly fatiguing you?
If you can include relevant system context — room, speakers, preamp — please do. Those variables will help me interpret what the amp itself is contributing.
I'm less interested in rankings than in understanding what Ralph mentioned, namely the [vast] range of sonic signatures class D is capable of. Eigentakt, Hypex, Pascal, Purifi, GaN-based, etc. — all fair game.
Price is no constraint here — I'm interested in the full range of what's out there.
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I'm trying class D for 1st time, I am a class A or AB guy. I have 2 NAD C268's bridged, producing 300 watts rms into 8 ohm, 500 watts (1/2 kilowatt) on the peaks. I am thus far pretty impressed. I expected a cold overly analytical presentation, but honestly it sounds a bit on the warmer side, as well as musical. I am driving the amps with a hybrid solid state tube preanp, which I think is taming the class D a bit. |
Is this the Eigentakt 1 or 2 version? I didn’t find the NAD M23 ($4999) to be superior to the AGD Audion Mk III ($7850) that I was able to try out, but that was the version 1. If you can, try the AGD and also Atmasphere -- which I still need to try but there’s a lot of praise for his long experience with tubes translating into a more sophisticated Class D amplifier. It hits a price point ($6300 approx.) closer to the NAD stereo amps but the Atmaspheres are mono blocks. |
@hilde45 , no, the c268 is their current model just below the c298....they are going for $1299 per amp. It uses customized hypex UCD. Like I said, just wanted to experiment with class D, and i am really pretty blown away at how good these 2 amps bridged sound. The c298 received some great reviews but that one is $2999. It has purifi class D if I remember correctly. I am using a tubed preamp to drive the c268’s, and it sounds really good. Rogue sphinx integrated is along the same idea. Tubed pre driving the class d amp in one box. So I guess what I did here is i put together a SUPER Sphinx lol...idk
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@audioguy85 Thanks. Yes, the c268 has Hypex but at the most it is the Eigentakt v. 1 version. I believe I read that they were not using the later version in lower tiered models. The M23 has now been updated with the version 2. The Rogue amp has an active output driven by the tubes but you are using a tube preamp at the input stage. |
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