Speaker hunt -> To leave or not Leave Martin Logan Behind


Hello all,

I’ve been a MartinLogan owner for about 22 years and have gone through much of their lineup, including the CLX. I’m currently running the 15A, which has been my favorite to date.

Lately, I’ve been considering a move away from electrostatics. While I’ve managed to get the 15A dialed in extremely well in my room (great stage, excellent low end integration), I’m starting to experience some long-term fatigue with the panel presentation—particularly with my core listening preferences.

Roughly 60% of my listening is hard rock/metal, with the remaining 40% being more refined material (Al Di Meola, Patricia Barber, Nils Lofgren, etc.). I also occasionally stream electronic (techno/dubstep). Vinyl is my primary source, with some streaming mixed in.

What I’m looking for:

  • Retain a large, dimensional soundstage similar to the 15A
  • Strong, controlled low-end performance
  • Improved midrange density/impact and overall drive, especially for rock/metal
  • Better long-term listenability with more dynamic “weight”

I’m currently considering the Focal Sopra No.2, but I’m open to other options in the ~$15-25K range (new or used).

I figure I’ll need a sub as well once O lose the 12” subs on the ML  

I’d really value input from those who have transitioned from panels to dynamic speakers—what worked, what didn’t, and where you ultimately landed.

Current system:

  • MartinLogan 15A
  • Mark Levinson No. 585
  • Rega P8 / Ortofon 2M Black LVB 250
  • Manley Chinook SE
  • Cambridge Audio CXN V2

Room: 18’ wide (front wall) x 15’ to back wall and 9ft from listening seat to speakers  

Appreciate any insights—especially from those with similar musical tastes or system paths.

Thanks in advance.

necrosuit

I moved away from Martin Logan after having owned the Classic 9 and the Impression 11A. They had to stay close to the front wall, so a certain amount of absorption material precisely positioned behind them was mandatory to avoid a nasty, detail and hf extension eating comb filter. Even so, I couldn't get them to sound natural in spite of partnering them with Accuphase gear and occ copper cables. They had wonderful qualities, especially detail and a very "big" sound, but not the right timber which is very important to me as a mainly jazz and classical listener. Also I wanted a more tactile midrange and ML's midrange, while very transparent, could also be a bit distant sometimes.

 

The next step was meant to be an intermediate one, but I almost ended up there: the Spendor SP2/3R2 of course did not provide the "big" sound and the detail, while surprisingly good in the midrange, was not quite in the same class; however, the sound became much more natural and very musical. Harbeth M30.2, Sonus Faber Serafino and even the Spendor Classic 100 came and left, and neither Sonus Faber Amati Tradition (first version) nor the Harbeth M40.2 heard in other rooms impressed me quite enough (although I suspect both can be massaged to sound really great). And I wouldn't put the BBC type monitors on top of my list if I was listening mainly to metal, they are not aggressive enough.

 

About a month ago I purchased a pair of Sonus Faber Amati Futura. I posted more detailed impressions in a different thread, but I don't miss my Logans one bit anymore. They do everything great, including rock, and sound big, refined, detailed, assertive and beautiful. If you don't mind buying used, they could be an option. Alternatively, maybe the current Amati Tradition G5... As always when buying audio equipment, especially speakers, you need to have a good listen first, preferably in your room with your own partnering gear.

I have a friend with ML speakers. He is spending ALOT of money trying to tame the brightness and etch. I highly recommend you add Rockport speakers to your list to audition. The Atria ii should be in your price range but the Avior ii is the one I would try to find used. It is amazing. My room is slightly smaller than yours and my Avior ii’s sound phenomenal. Good luck in your search! 

I recently took a dive back into Martin Logans as well having had a few pairs in the past. At the time I decided to do so I was running a pair of Tekton Moabs with Krell, Primaluna and Rotel amplification that I'd had for about 6 years when I got the "change/upgrade" bug, I opted for a pair of ML Montis speakers (used but in pristine condition).

I now know that was an enormous mistake. Although the ML's were nice, they did not have the soundstatge, realism, impact or depth of musical character that I had become used to with my Tektons. The ML's were also fairly fussy about setup as has been noted, though I did "dial" the in the best I could.

On the other hand, the Tektons are fast, accurate, truly full range, brilliant at reproduction and, quite frankly, the best spoeakers I've ever heard in my 40+ years of audio/music listening. And I've listened to many of the so called best ovet that time. And they're not nearly as fussy about setup. 

Needless to say, I sold the ML's and am now pursuing either Tekton's Encores or Symphonys.I'll be in Utah at the Tekton's facility this week auditioning to make that choice. 

Open Baffle speaker may satisfy you, also I’ve recently moved to Magico A3’s and those would be up your ally. I found after Martin Lagans open baffles gave me everything I liked about the ML’s but with more dynamics and bass slam. With out losing the detail.

But when I moved to a smaller space and after many different speakers the Magico’s were the ones. They were hands down far better then the Focal Sopra’s I demoed, Which I found to be overly bright and not musical.  I also found the Focal’s did not seem to integrate the drivers that well and I was listening to each drive not the whole speaker. I would recommend either an OB if you wanted to stay in the similar area as the ML’s or look at Magico’s A3-A5’s. The construction Of Magico’s is top notch and they are one of the first speakers I’ve had that I do not notice the cabinet’s sound. It took a long time to find that, every speaker I listened to I could hear the cabinet.