Phono Stage


I am getting near the end of my current system journey.  I have my digital (streaming) side set (for now). It sounds glorious to my old hearing aid assisted ears. And streaming is where I spend the vast majority of my listening. 
Regardless, I am now focusing on vinyl, with the recent addition of a P8. 
My analog side: Rega P8 w/ Hana ML > Rega Aria > Kimber KS1018 > BHK pre > Zavfino Fusion mk2 > Moon 330A > Transparent + > KEF Ref 3’s. If do a weak link analysis both chatGPT & Gemini say it  my phono stage.

So looking for potential replacements. As always I am very space constrained, (half wides are perfect) no tubes and looking to stay under $3,000 used. I like accuracy, clarity & cleanliness. 
My current candidates: 
Rega AOS

Gold Note PH10

Sutherland 20/20 w/LPS

Sutherland Little Loco

The Sutherland’s work because they are thin and con fit under my raised center channel speaker. The duo stack is too high  

Please let me know your thoughts and/or recommendations. Thanks!

 

signaforce

@audphile1 Thanks. 

Question for all. I have an excellent (Kimber KS1018) RCA cable I was using with my Aria. I had a decent (Zavfino Arcadia Mk2) spare XLR cable, I had planned to use with the PH10. However, I think the RCA sounds better… smoother, warmer, but still dynamic, probably due to the cable quality differences.  
So my short term plan is to use the RCA out. My question is medium or long term, should I move to XLR, perhaps with a KS1116  Thanks 


 

@signaforce 

Going with the ks1116 may improve things because it’s a better cable and PH10 offers +12db on XLR outs. That could give you better signal to noise ratio and better noise rejection. You can try your existing ks1116 if they reach from phono to pre and compare. 
Use the older Kimbers and enjoy the music for time being. when a good deal pops up on KS1116 make your move, provided you confirm that ks1116 is better. 

Lots of good ideas here...I like a warm and live sound in general. I have a Technics SL-1300G Grand Class turntable with a Dynavector 10X5 cartridge, Vincent PHO-701 phono stage, Furutech interconnects. I like the what the warmth and depth the tube from the Vincent draws from the music. 

Even used equipment when it has not been used and shipped will need a dozen or more hours of breakin before it sound right. 

From the OPs list, I only have experience to two of the items, but I think they are relevant and important. 

I believe at this stage the Sutherland 20/20 is the single longest standing piece of equipment in my system. I've had it through two turntables and three cartridges now. I added the LPS about 2 years ago, give take, and it's a worthwhile addition. 

I also have the Hana ML, and I think understanding how it engages with the the 20/20. As @audphile1 and others have mentioned, the ML seems like like 60db gain. With the Sutherland, your options are 58db and 64db. I ran mine at 58db for awhile. 64 sounded compressed and a touch fizzy in my system. 58db sounded best, but it lacked low end authority and lower midrange weight. 

I started exploring options. Wasn't sure if I'd go with a different phono or an SUT. After being able to do some demos at SWAF, I ended up with a Bob's Devices Sky 20-S step up. It's been a great addition and is a wonderful match with the Hana ML. As a matter of fact, Bob was demoing with a Hana Blue at the show. I think the 58db was a touch more open on it's own, but the SUT + 20/20 is a much more even and complete sound. It's been fantastic and I haven't looked at any changes to the phono section since making that move.

This set up was also transparent enough that when I moved from a Mofi UD to a VPI Prime Sig 21, I was easily able to tell what the turntable was able to do with the same cart. 

So if you're sticking with the Hana ML or the Umami options, I'd suggest an SUT if you go with the Sutherland. But above all don't just look into the reviews of the phonostages. Look at how well each unit's specific pairings fit with any cartridges you might consider. It's all part of the circuit, and you need a closed circuit to make music. Take your time and move forward confidently!