Arc Ref 5se owners


I bot a used Ref 5se as my first encounter with tubes. It’s about 10 years old. The tube meter clocked in at about 3500 hours.

I’m getting a crash course and learning quickly what I don’t know about tubes. 

The heat from the power tube caused some warping in the poly cover.  After 10 mins or so of listening the area above the tube swelled 
 

I used an infrared gun to measure the temperature. The power tube was about 250f degrees and the smaller tubes measured less than 200. heat is a known problem but I’m not clear about whether excessive heat that deforms the cover is an issue. 
 

Anyone experienced this? Is this a big problem? 
 

Thanks in advance  

 

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I had a Reference 6 twice. The first one (maybe an early model? it would have been made ~2016), came with a flimsy-ish acrylic cover that quickly deformed (sagged) from the 6550’s heat even freestanding in open air (nothing above nor around) in a cool room. That was a bad cover design. It looked awful, but did not cause any issues of concern other than that. ARC shipped a metal cover for free, but it was extremely thin gauge steel and rang like a bell. 

The 2nd Ref 6 had a much thicker cover with beveled edges that did not demonstrate this problem. 

Now this is off topic but I also wondered what their logic was for putting this same cover on the phono stage. Their Ref 3SE phono made demonic noises if you had a plasma TV on (even in a next room) - of note this only affected High Gain mode. Surely a thick metal cover (with damping applied because...tube phono stage) would have helped shield those JFETs? IIRC Fremer mentioned this in his review, so it wasn't just a one-off issue. 

OP,

Audio Research has experimented with the covers for their preamps for a long time. Originally they were metal... they found out that the plastic (acrylic?) sounded better... and that is why they made the change. They probably experimented with different thicknesses as well. This is common after a new model is nearly complet, or even... to experiment with the fit and form to optimize it. 

Sounds like your 6550s are redplating.  I had a the same issue. Replace ALL tubes. 

I have purchased tubes from Upscale Audio, and from my ARC dealer.  I can say that over years I have learned that the matched and tested and re-tested ARC tubes are worth the money. As one English car company used to say "The quality remains long after the price is forgotten"   

Do you know why the British don't make stereo preamps?  They can't get them to leak oil! 

Not much to add to excellent advice above from many owners n hardcore users.  I have a phono 2se, 5SE and REF80S.

im at 9K happy hours on the 5SE

keep a tube log as noted the 2 - 2.5 K hour change interval on the 6550. You also have a. 6H 30 in the power supply to look after along w the 4x in gain stages.

i have the heavy version plastic covers and they Slightly deform…

im a bit of a black sheep prefer to run USA production Tung Sol black plates in the power supply - Andy at Vintage tube is likely the last source you can trust w that significant sonic upgrade. Also get 3X HRS Nimbus couplers. If you get a metal top get a damper block.

finally have fun