The muddy waters of Analogue vs. digital today


With new technology, everything is changing so fast it is hard to keep up with new recordings. I have had a turntable all of my audiophile life, although I admit I played mostly CDs for many years. It was only since I upgraded my analogue system to a certain degree in the mid-nineties, that I could hear that records sounded better than CDs. It wasn’t a very expensive upgrade, a used Rega 3 with glass platter, new Sumiko Bluepoint Special, and a floor demo ARC PH-3. Probably somewhere around $3K. Mid-90s remember.

Now my system is very upgraded and I can hear more differences between vinyl and streaming at high resolution. CDs have kind of been left in the dust. 44.1 resolution sounds kind of tinny and flat. I listen if that’s my only choice, but I can easily hear the difference. I credit myself with a decent ear after doing critial listening for 30+ years. My ear is not as good as most reviewers, but you'll understand why it’s good enough to write a forward to this thread.

I won’t go through the differences I hear between analogue and digital, because you’ve heard it all before. What I want to talk about is my confusion in this new recording landscape. 

I had purchased Roberta Flack’s "First Take" when it came out and I’d kept the record for more than forty years when I realized it had really seen its better days. Basically, it was unlistenable, even after a few washes in the Degritter. I looked at near mint copies of the record and they were quite expensive. Then I saw that there was a new pressing for a reasonable price.

I was listening to the new pressing of "First Take" a few days ago when I realized it sounded overly compressed at the high end. I asked my new audiophile friend chatgpt if the record was pressed from an analogue source. Nope. I was basically listening to a digital recording pressed into vinyl. Chatgpt says that most records made after 1980 come from digital sources. So, I found a reasonablly priced orignal pressing of "First Take." My grandaugher in college can have the digital one.

Today I was playing a fairly new recording of Gustavo Dudamel and Yuja Wang playing Rachmaninoff’s Variations on a Theme by Paganini. I live in L.A. and have been lucky enough to see Dudamel live many times and Yuga Wang several times. It’s a beautiful recording, wide and deep and detailed and musical. I pronounced it the best classical recording I owned. But it was put out recently. So, I checked with my audiophile buddy chatgpt. The record is from a very high resolution digital source. Chatgpt says that digital can sound more analogue on vinyl because the engineers roll off the high end a bit.

So, now things are more than a bit confusing. Do I buy a recording from before the 80’s on expensive vinyl or might it actually sound better streaming at 192 kHz? If you listen to Patricia Barber’s "Clique" at 172 kHz, it sounds pretty good. So good, i have not bothered to go out and buy it on vinyl.

Does anyone else feel a similar confusion in this modern market, and do you have any suggestions for negotiating it?

audio-b-dog

@audio-b-dog - no worries. They both had Born in the title which most likely caused your minor mistake.

I very carefully select what records to buy since I listen to them on a pretty consistent rotation. If you can't listen to an album at least once a year then you are collecting it, not listening to it. I'm not close to that, but to me you need to listen at least every 3-4 months and I'm just about there in terms of max records to own.

I have a basic all in one CD player for the 50-100 CDs I own which are not available on vinyl (or for a reasonable price). I was only playing them in my car or on a Bose radio for about 20 years until I realized there were a few dozen that I really wanted to hear on my stereo. I have to say that I was pleasantly surprised by the SQ of a number of them which were very well produced. I wonder how much better they would sound on vinyl.

No streaming for me unless you consider the Sirius XM radio in my wife's car. I do occasionally pick up something new I like there, but more often that not it is from an artist I already have in my vinyl library, and usually it is the worst of the lot after I get it, but still worth having. I'm sorry to say I've bought a few records where I really liked one song I heard and the rest of it wasn't that great (or I may skip a whole side). Streaming would just be too many decisions....and I would end up listening to my favorites less.

An expensive world of discovery!

It’s not just sonic quality variations between different pressings, but within each pressing there are variations as demonstrated from Better Records

@sokogear 

Like you and many other people, I listen to the same records over and over. When I wear them out (sometimes after 30 or 40 years) I buy used ones in Mint- condition. So, I could have maybe 100 mostly played records. Instead, I have about 1,000. I have been gifted hundreds of albums by people getting rid of their collections. It is nice when I'm in an expansive mood to dig in there and pull out something I hardly remember. Often, they are in excellent condition.

I also go out and hear music live a lot. Last night I heard Phillip Glass's Akhnaten. I have a number of Glass's recordings on CD. I often discover new artists by hearing live music and expand my library of music. Now that I have the streamer, though, I can experiment on Qobuz or Tidal. 

As I get older, I want to keep my mind and curiosity open to new things. I also look at music reviews in audio mags. If I see something that looks interesting I can stream it. That's why I am big into streaming now, although vinyl tops my list of how to hear music.

Maybe I can hear a difference between a 44.1 kHz digital file and a pristine record (same mastering for comparison purpose), but I'm not sure. Certainly not enough difference to claim one media type inherently sounds better than the other. At least using my system (under $20k).

I'm sure there are some people out there who can hear a difference, especially if they have highly resolving rigs with distinct audio profiles. I'm just not that interested in chasing barely noticeable incremental improvements. I need a noticeable, obvious improvement before I shell out any coin. As far as I'm concerned, I enjoy records, CDs, and streaming and really don't have a favorite media type. I'm more into the music than the gear.

@kahlenz 

Enjoying the music is the best way to be. Also staying away from people who encourage you to hear a difference that is not obvious.. As I've said, I had an audiophile neighbor who dragged me down into hearing certain differences, like the difference in cables. Not vinyl, though. He could not hear the difference between vinyl and CD. I slowly discovered that difference on my own and it has been a very expensive discovery. As I've written in this thread, I've been listening to CDs and enjoying them. There are only so many records I can buy, especially with my wife being my audio accountant.