Agreed, although I have no way to high pass the mains. I have blocked the ports on my Elipson 24F's and low passed the two subs at 45hz (12db). The mains are rated down to 30 hz (-3db) before extension and, in my treated room, sound better than without the subs. Still learning......
Why even full range speakers need subwoofers!
This question comes up all the time. Do I still need subwoofers? This video is the best explanation I've heard.
Telling people they don't need a sub is NOT good advice and it's repeated on audio forums all the time.
Please, take a listen as to why it's important.
I would add that it's important to use a high pass filter to the main speakers for optimun benefit. ( many sub amps already have built in high pass filters for this reason)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkE5Sisu8-8
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Yeah, he pretty much nailed it. |
The "don't need subs with full range speakers" crowd who say this either never tried it or didn't do it properly. One thing that surprised me going down this path was how much timing between the mains and subs mattered—not just level and crossover. Actually doing this may require reexamining long-held positions. Once I got that dialed in, the improvement wasn’t just bass—it affected image focus and overall coherence in a pretty obvious way. This seems consistent with @knotscott . I'm running full range mains and 2 subs. It made me rethink how much of what we call “good integration” is really about timing vs just blending levels. Curious if others have played with timing, or if most people are just setting crossover, gain, placement and leaving it at that. |
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