Are active speakers worth it now?


I've been paying attention to recent reviews and product announcements for active speakers.  Mind you, I'm a convert, I think active speakers are the right answer for many, but I'm a conditional fanboy.  For me it's conditional on the overall value. 

In the residential high-end ATC has long been a darling of audiophiles, and of course many studio monitors are active.  Recent reviews for the Grimm, Focal and Dynaudio active in Stereophile make me hopeful this trend will continue, but at what cost? 

That question is literal.  Admittedly these speakers have amps built in so that is one less component and cables to buy, but ahem, those prices leave me unimpressed.  I'm just one minor voice though, so I ask you, A'goners, if you've been thinking of going fully active like me and what do you think of the price/performance of the marketplace, both in the pro arena and residential high-end?  Do these prices say "bargain" to you or "simplicity for a price?" 

erik_squires

@kirkwallace Obviously, you can’t make a single dollar if you attempt to sell your products based on part costs without markups. I’m not about to begrudge anyone that. 

However, to counter your argument, passive speakers have a great deal of work done for matching the drivers to each other and the cabinet via the crossover network, so I don’t expect there to be a markup from passive to active just for the crossover.  Both require careful tuning to work correctly.  

From the buyer’s perspective, a Dynaudio Confidence 20 is a speaker and amplifier together.  Is that worth $24,000 a pair, which I believe is a $12,000 markup based on the passive model? 

This is a case where being a buyer I might say no, I’d rather spend $4-6k on my stereo amplifier and get the passive version, or would I? 

@erik_squires i genuinely wasn’t trying to advocate for a “yes, they are worth it” or a “no, buyers are being gouged” position.  I was just trying to see, because you have actually done the work, to what i am guessing is a pretty high level of success, as how much R&D is involved in going from passive to active. And we know that a manufacture will try to recapture R&D cost (plus profit margin on it) quickly. (For extreme examples, see pharmaceutical pricing in the US.)   

So, for example on your point about crossover network, cabinet and drivers, is it the case that one can pretty much just add in an amp (after deciding which one matches best), or are there modifications (even modest one) to those features that going active requires? And if no material modifications are likely needed, how hard is it / how many trials are needed to choose the right amplification?

I'm not sure about good value but I do know ATC makes some incredible active speakers if buy in a heartbeat 

+1 ditusa - Active all the way so long as all of the electronics is external to the speaker enclosure.

@erik_squires said

From the buyer’s perspective, a Dynaudio Confidence 20 is a speaker and amplifier together.  Is that worth $24,000 a pair, which I believe is a $12,000 markup based on the passive model? 

This is a case where being a buyer I might say no, I’d rather spend $4-6k on my stereo amplifier and get the passive version, or would I?

For the record, the Confidence 20A is active, as I own a pair of Confidence 20s, which are passive.  And at this level, I am happy to pick my amplifiers!  So another thought on this topic is that active speakers should be a value...

Worth noting here is that in the Confidence 2A's, Dynaudio places the amplifiers in the STANDS, allowing great heat sinking, easier maintenance, and not messing with the internal volume of the speaker.  hmmm maybe I should hear them!