BAT amp + cheap pream vs BAT integrated vs Prima Luna integrated


Hi all, this is my first post ever here in Audiogon. I am going to buy my first proper Hifi setup and am really going bonkers with all the possible configurations and combinations, and tbh so little data. I tend to like detail so in the beginning i discarded tubes. Separate amp and preamp is a wish, having read only but praises about this. I have read many great things about Prima Luna and am considering tubes now, to be specific, the Evo 300 hybrid, which is the closest any integrated amp will get to separate amp and preamp. But there is an option i have not read about too often: GREAT amp (BAT VK 90t) and since this will break my budget, a small and cheap preamp like a Schiit Freya or another preamp that does not impact the sound of the amp negatively too much (with the wishful thinking of buying a proper BAT preamp in the future, god and wife allows). AND, to add complexity, this configuration vs the BAT VK80t integrated amp.

Any thoughts would be much appreciated!

tykozen

@tykozen, as ​​​@oddiofyl stated, going cheap (an afterthought, it seems from what you have said) on your preamplifier is a bad idea.

Between the preamplifier, the amplifier, and your speakers, the amplifier is the least critical when it comes to sound quality, so long as it’s not undersized for the load the speakers will demand.

It is a good idea to start with the speakers based on the music you play and sound you like, figure out broadly what amplifier you need (particularly ability to provide enough current to properly drive the speakers at their lowest impedance dip) and then decide if you want to go with an integrated amplifier or separates. But don’t see the preamplifier as an afterthought.

+1 on get the best amps  you can.  Separates allow an upgrade path, wherever you start.  People like the Freya, would certainly be an ok place filler to enjoy the new amps.  Preamp does, as stated above, make a huge difference.  I upgraded a pre pro to an Audionet Pre1 G3 and oh my ...it was the first time I really heard what I was looking for.

Integrated pre and amp are definitely less costly than separates.  Used equipment is typically half the price of new.  Every piece of gear I own was bought used, except the speakers.  My wife got tired of me taking her to stereo shops, she just bought them for me.  LOL.  Still using them. 

@tykozen I had a Primaluna Evo 400 Integrated, I also had Coda CsIB and Krell Integrated all at the same time, I was able to swap them out, compare.  I also had a Krell 300xd and Krell Illusions ii Pre, Parasound A21 Amp, Zesto Leto Pre, PS Audio BHK pre, Coda 07x Pre.  Along with all that gear, also have placed several different HT Receivers in the chain as Pre’s for 2 channel listening.  What I found, out of all the gear, properly matched Pre / Amp separate combo tough for an Integrated to beat but, but some Integrated’s can get close or even better separates.  What a well designed Integrated does is provide much more value for the $$ and maximized synergy, limits cables, can provide a great experience through simplicity.  All that said, I landed on the Krell Pre and Amp separates, came down to synergy and flexibility.  If you are thinking you won’t upgrade down the road, an Integrated can offer tremendous value and take guess work out of the equation.  Primaluna is a solid brand, choice, out of the gear I have had in my system, it was my least favorite, for tube gear, sounded solid state.  Both the Coda and Krell integrated’s outshined the Primaluna.  If you are going to upgrade the pre, going with a rock solid Amp as a foundation to the electronics, great strategy and will provide more flexibility on being able to swap out Pre’s or the Amp.  Picking an amp or integrated that matches your speakers is key as others have pointed out.  Coda, Krell, Music Fidelity, BAT, Rogue, Cary, Aric, Linear Tube Audio, Schitt all offer great gear at various price points, they offer tube gear, SS or Highbred and many of them will take your call, offer advice on what’s your needs in their line up of gear.  The other couple of learnings, the pre really does matter, makes a big difference, the HT AVR’s couldn’t hold a candle to pre’s designed for 2 channel only.  Depending on the design of the Integrated units, wide range if the type of pre section, for instance, Tube Integrated preamplifier sections aren’t usually anywhere near as beefy as a stand alone Tube Pre, some solid state Pre’s will have a stand alone pre section that can function as a preamp only, won’t be identical to separate pre’s from the same manufacture but often shares the majority of design, parts.  Freya as a Pre to start is likely a great choice, haven’t heard it but tons of posts about how good it is for the $$, you can get one with both SS and Tube optionally.  Good luck. 

Just echoing the others, the amp matters less than the pre, better to spend more on the pre. To simplify your life you might even consider a solid state amp behind a good tube pre, this is a very common configuration that yields some tube magic.