Rogue Audio Cronus Magnum III


I’ve been putting a new system together and was initially decided on a solid state integrated, but I’m starting to have a change of heart and thinking about going for a tube-based integrated instead. 

The Rogue Audio Cronus Magnum III (non Dark Edition) has piqued my interest based on the positive reviews I’ve read and the recommendation of an authorized dealer I’ve been working with.  My only source will be a turntable so I also need a high-quality phono stage.  With a desire to keep things simple, a built-in, flexible MC/MM phono stage like that in the Cronus Magnum would be a definite plus.

Before I decide to pursue the Rogue Audio integrated, I was hoping current or previous owners could weigh in.  In particular, how reliable has the product been?  In terms of sound quality, I have heard it said that it sounds more like a solid state amplifier than a tube amplifier, so that has given me a bit of pause.  The other reason I’m hesitant is that I see quite a few of them for sale online right now, which makes me wonder why - unless it’s just a matter of typical audiophile fickleness/upgraditis and not a reflection on the quality of the product cheeky

I should mention that I’ll be using a pair of ProAc Tablette Reference 8 Signature loudspeakers (which are fairly easy to drive), and my current listening room is pretty compact at 11’ x 13’

If you’ve got any thoughts about the integrated, then I’d love to hear them.

Thanks in advance!

 

lpluvr

I am a current owner and I use the built in phono stage exclusively. To my ears it is very neural and authentic in sound reproduction. I have rolled all my 12AX7 and 12AU7 tubes. I was fortunate to get KT120s a few years back when you could still get them on ebay. I did hear that the KT88s sound warmer (more tube-like) with a minimal drop in overall output. I visited the factory this year to get my II upgraded to the III (non dark). I learned that they find the Magnepan speakers their choice for demoing the amp. I auditioned used mags and found that pair not worth it, not to mention my room cannot really accommodate that speaker size.

Unless something radical changes, this is my "life" amp I got the HT option and processor loop added so I ca use a tube preamp for my digital side and add an eq as my hearing needs evolve. 

My vote is a positive. the ultra-linear/triod switch was a big deal for me. I did find rolling the 12A tubes really brought out better sound. The factory tubes are fine, but there are better sounding tubes out there.

As far as my listening goes I enjoy progressive rock and when solo artists explore a hybrid classical/rock sound plus some classical, mostly piano. I strongly prefer vinyl, and stream when I want to explore music I don't own.

 

In terms of sound quality, I have heard it said that it sounds more like a solid state amplifier than a tube amplifier, so that has given me a bit of pause. 

That’s a big question.  Are you looking for something that skews a little warm or something neutral?  If the former you’re probably better off looking at other options.  Also, the phono pre is really important, and I wouldn’t leave that to the one included in most integrateds and would absolutely get a separate phono pre at some point.  Just my $0.02 FWIW, and best of luck. 

I own the Magnum II and it’s exceptional. It’s really suited for albums because it has the tube sound. If I am listening to Jazz, Blues or vocals, it’s really my favorite. I have three other amps, one is a tube integrated. I would agree with the previous comment that the internal phono preamp may leave you wanting unless you have a very basic turntable. The better the phono preamp, the better the Rogue will sound. IMO.

Thanks for all of the great input.  

Re: the built-in phono stage.  I sold off my old system several years back and I'm just getting back into the audio game.  I decided to try and keep things simple at the outset (best laid plans... smiley) which is why I decided on an integrated and an internal phono stage.  My plan is to get everything going, enjoy the system for a while, and then upgrade to an external phono stage.  I'm sure it won't be long before that happens cheeky

"The other reason I’m hesitant is that I see quite a few of them for sale online right now, which makes me wonder why - unless it’s just a matter of typical audiophile fickleness/upgraditis and not a reflection on the quality of the product"

Not an owner but heard countless times.

It’s an established popular model for many years. That alone tells you it’s a solid choice. The abundance of used means you can find one for a price you want to pay-if you chose to try used.

@tablejockey  Agreed. It’s the audiophile version of survivorship bias - taking the wrong data points and drawing the wrong conclusion. What you really want to avoid is flavor-of-the-month items that are super-duper-hot for a stint (usually triggered by a major glowing review), but then a few years down the road you realize you haven’t seen or heard of it again - and usually the company that made them is long gone too (oops!). 

Rogue’s tube power amps give you a lot of sound for the money. They don’t outsource their production, and service its top notch too. Cronus has been a top seller for a long time (all versions) - so there’s orders of magnitude more of them in circulation than other models from boutique-maker tube amps. Being "entry high end", a lot of owners get an itch to upgrade - often because they love it, and want to experience the next level!