The argument against upgrading


I’ve always assumed upgrading hifi can be worthwhile provided there is some audible improvement in sound quality. Maybe, this assumption should be challenged.

Let’s suppose I make some change to my system. I make a meaningful comparison that proves it sounds better in some way.

Before making the change, I was already able to get into and enjoy certain recordings. Surely, I can’t get into these recordings any more than that. It’s an either or thing not a matter of degree.

So what does the upgrade actually do for me in practice? I fear that more often than not it may be absolutely nothing.

I am not arguing that there is no better. Just that incrementally better may not necessarily always translate into more musical enjoyment.

I suppose this all begs the question what I actually mean by better.

What’s your view on the benefits of upgrading? How can we reliably assess whether it is effective?

newton_john

@newton_john 

 

with all due respect-and I have enjoyed many of your posts on other topics-I had read the post that you referenced prior to making my most recent post.  I have just re read it, per your request.  And I stand by my earlier comment.

  I am glad that you enjoy music, your current system, and don’t feel a need to upgrade.  I have been in the same spot for a bit.  However the previous upgrades that I made definitely enhanced my enjoyment of music that I loved, in some cases causing me to significantly respect composers or works that I hadn’t fully appreciated prior.  I guess your mileage varies.  Have a nice day and continue to enjoy the music 

The argument developing here is just a discombobulating difference of opinions. 
The  way l see it is simple….

 

Who is the most happiest?

 

The guy with a reasonably adept budget system with no worries listening, who always enjoys the music he hears, and is content with his lot. Or is it the guy with the mega bucks oil rig sized system, who is not completely satisfied, but is always wondering if there’s something missing.

You left out those with  mega and mini mega systems who are very happy but nonetheless still enjoy upgrading...

@jl35 

l did miss out a few things ….

Those guys with one ear, the guys with no home, and the guys with the obscenely fat wallets.

All in good fun unless…….

 

@newton_john Taking your question at face value, you ask if an objective, incremental improvement in sound quality improves the subjective listening experience. I can only answer for me, of course, but I can say without doubt when I've improved the sound quality of my system, through equipment upgrades, room treatments, setup changes, whatever, it results in a more enjoyable subjective listening experience. When you attend a live performance, don't you enjoy it more if the sound quality is better?

Whether the "upgrade" actually produces a better sound is a different matter, but your question assumes it does. Its also a different question entirely whether the incremental increase in subjective enjoyment is within our financial capacity and if so, is something that would represent value. The first is an objective barrier, the second is entirely subjective with no right or wrong answer. I've heard $300k speakers at shows, for example, that I thought were fabulous and would undoubtedly increase my subjective listening experience. But for me, leaving objective affordability aside, the incremental increase in subjective enjoyment wouldn't represent value. Other things to do with that money that would bring me greater satisfaction. Economists would call it "opportunity cost." 

So, I think this may be another example of trying to divine an objective universal truth from what is inherently dependent on subjective individual circumstances and preferences. I don't think that's possible.