Upgrade CD transport/player vs. Sacd transport/player


Seeking to upgrade my CD listening experience and am not sure how to proceed. Here the my opions:

1. Cd transport,  such as Teac, Jays Audio, Audiolab, to connect to my dac which is currently a Weiss 204, but will upgrade to a Meitner Dac/streamer, specifically the MA3i. Not looking for a cd player. 

2. Sacd/transport/player-here is it gets complicated. I have researched SACD sound that also guarantees that I will hear the DSD layer of the SACD. If I go the SACD transport route such as the Onix Zenith Shanling XST20, but after looking at this option, it seems very difficult and no guarantee as I may need a special box (which I am told is legal) along with HDMI and or i2S connections. One member tried a few combinations and could not always  get the combinations to provide the DSD layer. Does hearing the DSD layer of SACD make a big difference vs. SACD PCM?

3. SACD Player-here there are multiple players such as Accuphase, Ps Audio and others that decode the DSD layer, but all of them are close to or over $10,000.00 in cost. 

4. Not sure which way to proceed.  The big question is, is the SACD sound with or without the DSD layer far superior to redbook? I can buy a top cd transport for less than $5000, but the SACD player is far more expensive. Is there anybody that has compared the two. Is the difference between top sounding redbook vs top sounding SACD substantial enough in order to justify the additional cost required to obtain the SACD player that decodes the DSD layer?  

Thank you for your time and attention.

 

kjl1065

If you have a sizable cd collection, then I would focus on getting the most out of it by pairing a solid cd transport with a great upsampling DAC.  I bought a PS Audio MKII DAC primarily for streaming, only to find that I generally preferred to listen to my old CDs, which now sounded better than ever. As others point out, SACD content is very limited, and a number of artists I like have pulled their music from streaming services, or some of their work was never available for streaming in the first place.  I got the Audiolab 7000cdt after a fair amount of research because I wanted to stay under $1,500 if possible.  (Vinyl is my first love and where I want to put more of my budget, in general .)  it was a clear upgrade over my similarly priced Marantz cd player, which I gave to my daughter.  I find I’m actually buying CDs again, and I don’t have t trash my collection.  For me, it’s a win/win.

@rar1 

just what does Joe Audiophile do in 2025

Depends where you live and what genres of music you listen to.

If you like classical, then Presto offers over 6000 new SACDs for delivery anywhere a postal service can reach.  

Big European orchestras with their own labels like the Berliner Philharmoniker and the London Symphony Orchestra are set up for silver disks of all types.

You need a transport at least, and Sony has one at a ridiculously low price point, which also plays Pure Audio Blu-Rays.  You need a pre-amplifier, AV pre-processor or integrated which has native HDMI input.  Not a problem if you are in Europe, Japan or Australia.

Then you can splurge on some superlative recordings from 2L - the Nordic Sound and compare CD, SACD and Pure Audio in up to 9-channel high resolution, plus Doby Atmos, all in the same silver disk package.

Or you can follow Joe down mysteriously odd rabbit holes

@ghdprentice - some prefer analog watches to digital for aesthetic reasons, not nostalgic. Digital watches look ugly, in my opinion. Some people don't care about that as long as it gets the job done. Other people do. My reasons for physical media has to do with aesthetics, too, not 'nostalgia'. Different experiences; one is not superior to the other. 

My biggest issues with streaming are twofold: what is the mastering? It's not revealed in most cases, is it? I know what particular pressings are on vinyl, and there is considerable variance in SQ. I do not have the same luxury with streaming as far as I can tell. A flat transfer at high resolution would probably be fine, but what is native as opposed to up-res'd?

Second issue is simply depth of catalog. I like more obscure jazz and hard rock. A lot of this material is simply not available from what I can see on Tidal or Qobuz.  

 

@richardbrand 

Hi Richard -

My bad, I sarcastically asked a question and left it a little too broad.  I was complaining about hardware, not software.  

I am NYC born and raised and 7 decades later still live here.  

I adopted to SACD pretty much from the start 25 plus years ago.  I have assembled a decent enough library of SACD titles, which I would guess at close to 500 SACD titles between single layer and hybrid titles, give or take.  As for total number of CDs in my collection, somewhere between 7 and 10 thousand.  A lot of paychecks were spent at J&R Music, Tower, and Virgin Records in NYC, add HMV if we include London, Sonic Records if we throw in Toronto.  

I never went down the digital separates road; all in one players for me.  I dislike having to acquire the detailed understanding of an engineer, when all I wish to do is press the 'play' button.  

And then along the way, manufacturers change up their product offerings and support models and reasonably priced all in one SACD players are not so common anymore.  If you have one of the classic SACD players from the early 2000's, whistling is perhaps the best you can do if you require factory parts and service.  There were enough horror stories coming out of SONY's Laredo SACD repair facility, that it could make a boy rethink his SACD strategy, assuming he wanted to protect his investment in SACDs.  SONY sure as schiit wasn't doing the thinking.

So, a new strategy of digital separates seems reasonable, until you have to navigate the DSD and PCM nonsense and what pins in a HDMI connector unlock the Da Vinci, sorry, the DSD code.  Add to this, what manufacturers out there still use or make their own drives, will they make or stockpile enough of them, and will  the $5k Brand X SACD player be serviceable in a decade's time?

All I want to do is press the damn 'play' button. 

So, when I faced this decision point for myself, I went with PS Audio, realizing after I purchased the SACD transport, I would need to purchase a PSA DAC to make it all work.  Unless, I was up to noodling around with connection pins, etc.

So, no rabbit hole, far from it.   I know all I am interested in doing is hitting the 'play' button.  

And streaming is not something I wish to do and the referenced inexpensive SONY universal player sounds like crap.

Rich