Denafrips offer to replace my faulty Pontus 15th, for a replacement fee?


My Pontus 15th has developed an issue with the right channel output so I reached out to Denafrips to hopefully get it sent to be looked at/fixed (still under warranty)

However, they don’t have anyone here in the UK to look at it; instead they’ve offered to replace my current Pontus with a brand new replacement for a replacement fee of 400 USD but free shipping.

I would have to pay for shipping my Pontus, back to China which I don’t have a problem with.

I can’t decide in my mind whether this is a good offer or not, considering my Pontus is just over a year old and within warranty.

On the one hand, I can see this is as a decent compromise by Denafrips and a show of good will, as they will send me a new unit without verification of the fault, but on the other hand, is the replacement fee a little unreasonable considering the circumstances/the issue with my unit, and valid warranty?

I’m unsure if I’m honest; if I’d recently bought the unit and were sending it back because I didn’t like it, I’d understand a fee, but returning due to a fault, I’m having difficulty coming to terms with the fee.

Is this a generous offer and I’m being unreasonable, or is the fee unreasonable?

 

painter24

@bartmannm sorry to hear this. Denafrips correspondence with you does have a similar tone to their interactions with me at the time of my OP.

It’s a shame Denafrips have evolved in this manner since parting company with Alvin and Vinshine; I only ever had positive experiences with Alvin and co.

Since I made my OP, I have sold the new Pontus 15th they shipped to me, together with my Denafrips DDC. Denafrips did also transfer a 1 year warranty for the Pontus to the new owner on request with no further wrangling (condition of the sale to the new owner)

Denafrips also seem to have expanded their distribution and their DACs are now selling from a number of UK Hifi retailers which was never the case previously. At the time of writing the OP there was only the one online-only retailer in the UK, who I dealt with for other gear.

I’m not sure what this means in terms of customers who buy from these retailers and their DACs go on to develop faults, and whether faulty units can be returned to the retailer or for a straight swap; I hope so, but I won’t be tempted to buy a Denafrips DAC again. I still think the DACs sound good, but once bitten, twice shy.

As stated previously, I don’t wish Denafrips any ill will, or hold any animosity toward them; they’ve chosen a business model post Alvin and Vinshine, and only time will tell if this works for them, but they don’t seem to be fostering a base of solid customer relations. Not sure how sustainable this newer way of doing things will be, but it is what it is, and best of luck to them. I won’t dip my toe in the Denafrips pond again though; I can do without the hassle.

Cheers guys 👍

 

 

 

As @sns posted "Seems reasonable way to go for me."  Not having DAC at all and being out of about $800, this logic escapes me. This being said, I agree that Alvin leaving Denafrips reflected quite negatively on their customer support.

@knock1, yup you are 100% right. Alvin was Denafrips and without 

Alvin, this brand is not worth doing business with anymore.

After endless research, I've had my sights set on a Pontus 15th for some time now, but hearing stories like this makes me incredibly nervous ($2k is a lot for me at this point). What would be the closest DAC to the Pontus 15th, sound-quality wise? So far, I've narrowed it down to the Musician Pegasus (though it may suffer from the same risk factors as Denafrips) or the Border Patrol DAC, but I'd love some other options.

@okcsmoker 

alvin at vinshine now represents laiv - and their harmony dac is another sweet, warmish yet resolving r2r dac with very good sound and product quality

https://the-ear.net/review-hardware/laiv-harmony-dac-to-os-or-not-to-os/

you might check those out, they have a cheaper, scaled down version too, called the mu-dac, if you can deal with balanced outs only

https://www.hifi-advice.com/blog/review/digital-reviews/spdif-dac-reviews/laiv-harmony-udac/

i haven't had these in my own system but i have heard them elsewhere, they are credible products