McIntosh decisions


Hi everyone,

I’ve decided to go the McIntosh route for amplification in my system. Nova IIIs, combo of streaming and vinyl listening. 
 

I loved both the MA12000, and the C2800 with MC462 power amp combo. 
 

While I could hear very little difference between the two in the testing, I do like the app functionality with the C2800. Outside of that, I’m not sure if I should be going separates for that kind of additional spend. 
 

Is the C2800/MC462 separate combo really that much better than the MA1200 integrated? 
What do you think?

stephenwerner

@stephenwerner 

to add as to why a preamp in the mix adds additional dynamics and lightning fast response is that it has additional gain being powered by an additional power supply and additional storage capacitors.  this adds the ooomph to the sound for both minute changes in pace as well as fully blown crescendos.   

most integrated amplifiers have a passive (zero gain) preamp section (except for phono stages).  

the sound of an integrated amp tends to sound less dynamic and more laid back when compared to a properly matched linestage + power amp system.  

I wouldn’t make a blanket statement that an integrated amplifier is inferior to separates because it’s not always the case. I went from Pass Labs XP-22/X260.8 to Boulders 866 integrated. My 866 is an analog version without DAC. There are use cases for integrated amps with built in DAC and phono (mostly convenience) but I didn’t want to sacrifice performance. Not a good trade off.
The sound quality with Boulder integrated vs Pass separates is different. There are aspects of it that beat the pass separates, such as speed, articulation and transparency. Noise floor with the integrated is at least on par if not better than the pass stack. The background is inky black.

When we’re talking about McIntosh separates vs integrated, you have to take into account the fact that the C2800 is a preamp with a built in DAC, USB input, HDMI ARC, as well as optical and coaxial digital inputs. It also has a built in phono stage. All these add ons are geared towards convenience. At some point the performance is and will be compromised by additional noise in the digital circuits. So in a pure sense of the word you’re getting either a two piece integrated or a one piece integrated. If you need all these options and you don’t plan on adding external DAC and phono, in my opinion, throw a dart. Either option is viable. McIntosh makes great gear and if you like the sound, you’re golden. 
Otherwise, if you’re looking for the best possible performance without compromise, go for dedicated separates from other brands such as Audio Research, Pass Labs, mix and match solid state amp and tube preamp from different brands, etc.

that is just my opinion. 

Big Mac fan. I run my Avior IIs with a C2300 pre and MC275 V. Both units restored to factory specs by George Meyer in LA for a reasonable amount. Great at all volume levels.

Upgrading the power outlet and plugging the amp directly into it has allowed the amp to open up across the spectrum.