Sometimes Hard to Drive Speakers are a Gimmick


Hello friends!! 

After about 10 years of looking at speaker impedance curves and sometimes doing an in depth analysis I've come to the strong inference that sometimes speakers are made hard to drive deliberately.  

I wrote about it more fully here. 

TL;DR : Don't be seduced by hard to drive speakers.  They aren't more musical. 

erik_squires

Having spent much time in the industry (and yes, I read everything in this thread), I feel it is absurd to think that speaker manufacturers are playing games to make their speakers more difficult to drive, with the sole purpose of selling higher powered, higher current amplifiers. Speaking with designers over the years, they try to get the most out of their designs, within their designated price point, to sound a specific way to their satisfaction. Most speaker designers I have known, were never happy, even after a product release, as they are always striving for "better", and this relates to other product categories that we listen through. I have generally been disappointed listening to speakers that are inefficient and hard to drive, even using amps like Krell, as loudness and dynamics were always important characteristics for me when listening. A few examples of speakers I have owned that I found difficult to drive, were Apogee Duetta, DQ 10, AR9, Gale 401, a few Maggies, and I am sure, others. In the meantime, I have always had a set of Lascala, CW or Khorns (when I had appropriate corners/wall structure). Hearing compression from a speaker is a characteristic I am not fond of (amp clipping is another), and my current pair of Lascala I find extraordinary in this area, not to mention a very true to the music bass reproduction. I have a wide range of amplifiers (most have been sold, but still have 20 or so), from ONE wpc to hundreds of wpc, and surprisingly, they all sound dynamic, which is because of the LS. I listen above 100db peaks, and this is what I like. My ears are not damaged, for all of you sceptics. I expect energy and excitement, when I listen, and this has always been me. In a post I started a day or 2 ago, I made it a point of saying that my system meets my "listening needs, wants and desires". Sorry for my rant, but it does pertain to the ops thread. My best, MrD.

There is no evidence that these harder to drive speakers were designed with this intention. In fact nothing you have provided shows anything other than hard to drive speakers exist. 

Notice how every response does not take your premise seriously. As in a definitive "makes no sense". 

I think the reason behind low impedance speakers is the false belief that more power is always better. I learned a great deal from Ralph at Atma-sphere regarding this and other topics. Also have yet to talk with an amp designer (S.S. and tube) that didnt feel their amps sounded better driving higher impedance loads and more benign curves.

You are not going to make any headway on this issue because you are wrong.

 

 

 

I like large amps with high wattage because they do loaf along and are not pushed to clip as they are not being driven hard.big klipsch,michi m8, hegel h30a,big mcintosh all work well for me. I also like electronic  cossovers. Enjoy the music and the design. I also like ribbon planar speakers.

I like the original sterophile review that talked to the designer of the saloon one revel.the platform moved the speaker around to test the soundfield of the speaker. I can't began to keep up to money and technology like that.

@audition__audio  - Gonna sit here and wait for you to provide anything amounting to evidence before I address that you are ignoring mine.  Selectively counting retorts ain't it.  

Please, all, keep replying to this thread to keep it active and get as many eyeballs as possible.