Line Conditioning and possible ground issues?


I get the notion that many power conditioners no matter brand or cost cannot correct and do their intended jobs if for faulty-improper wiring and/or lack of proper ground.  Is this correct?

Some of these Conditioners also have some various other add on "Ground Gizmos", "(groundmaster-etc-etc) but again, what about without correct wiring-grounding?  

Moral of the post, I guess, is "don't expect bandaids to repair larger existing issues". 

markd51

I'll confide:

I bought a used Puritan PSM156 with Ultimate Cable, 6 month warranty left, and believe the USA dealer for such has even placed a for sake ad for it here on A-Gon. 

I got a good price, and don't disbelieve that the unit is some garbage snake oil.  No, maybe it's not a Shunyata Everest, but I didn't spend that sort of money either. 

I'm noticing zero effect, in fact negative effect I felt with testing on a few occasions, and this shouldn't be perhaps. 

Just a small bedroom vintage-modern system I put together, not reference.

The system sounded thinner and anemic with the Puritan PSM156.  And it likely would, if I might have total garbage for electric service. 

I'll investigate soon, with a qualified electrician.

You might ask the electrician what the cost would be to add a modern dedicated line for your system, assuming no other "hazards." Our previous house in NY was from the 1780s and it was expanded from a 4 room river cottage to a very large house over the course of centuries. There was all kinds of funky wiring in the house-- one of the missions of the electrician was to clean up unused wiring and replace stuff that was critical- so a lot of the kitchen appliances got dedicated lines- not something that was required when the last round of renovations was done. We did not replace everything, but a lot. My system worked pretty well in that grand old house. Obviously, prices for parts and labor have gone up since I did that circa 2003.

When I moved to Texas, the house we bought had been fully restored- an 1880s Queen Anne. The infrastructure was circa 2004 so it wasn’t "Old-Old" but I still was concerned about the quality of the juice. I had a commercial electrician come, had the city pull the meter to make sure the meter block was not corroded, and worked from there. Fortunately, I was working with a more modern wiring scheme, but did a fair amount of upgrades (using commercial electricians, who I found understood the needs of us crazy "sound hounds"). 

Prices for work obviously varies depending on locale. I’m very happy with where I’m at at this point-- whole house surge, big Iso transformer to feed the main hi-fi, I use point of use surge on the appliances including computers, routers, etc. Did do a whole house back up generator which involved some planning to keep the ATS separate from the circuit feeding the main hi-fi (I don’t have that big system supported by the generator- the last thing I’m gonna do in a power outage is worry about playing music). One can do this incrementally. I call it a ’system audit" and it may be worth getting a couple different electricians to visit to give you a sense of their knowledge. I found some comfort in knowing that not only the audio system is well supported, but that the entire house checks "OK." The "audit" part did not cost a lot--getting the city to pull your meter may be more involved- but where I am, they came within a week of making the request. All the work was permitted and approved. I know code is basic minimum, and I do like overkill, but doing it according to the local code as applied is important for insurance purposes. 

Good luck, ground loops suck. 

markd51 OP

Just a small bedroom vintage-modern system I put together, not reference.

No surprise.   Putting Mickey Thompson slicks on a VW bug won’t improve its performance either.  

I did a panel upgrade a year ago and I think I heard an improvement of sound, I.E. a darker sound stage, the instruments clarity improved. The new panel had better earth grounding and a couple of connections to earth.

My power conditioners have always been PS audio, and I believe that no matter when it has no good grounding, the improvements are marginal at best

 

 

To avoid being held responsible I want to state my recommendations really simply.  From where the OP is his best solution is to hire a licensed electrician to check the wiring from the breakers to the receptacle and install a properly wired 3 prong outlet. 

This is what's going to be best for life safety and the safety of his equipment, and to ensure any surge protectors work completely correctly.