Record Cleaner won't clean?? Or is it me?


Hello,

I have a MUSIC HALL WCS-2 record cleaner... and I can't for the life of me get it to actually clean my records... I am using Mobile Fidelity Sound Lab - Super Record Wash and my process is as follows:

 

I spin up the Music Hall with some vinyl.... I pour a nice dab of the Sound Lab Record Wash on it, use a Carbon Fiber Anti-Static Vinyl Brush to spread it around, for maybe 10 or so rotations, and then I turn on the vacuum of the Music Hall until it is nice and dry. 

I put the record on my player, and I am rewarded with still a bunch of pops and dust and it's just a bit of a nuisance. 

Am I doing something wrong? Am I missing a step in the process? Am I too much a perfectionist and I should just live with a bit of the dust? 

How best to keep a 80% "Clean" record clean? So that I don't have to do this constantly?

 

Thank you!

R. 

whyrichard

Anti skate... thats right. 

I looked up this: Tonearm Setup Guide — TurntableLab.com

Question: in the tutorial it says the stock is 17 grams, if my stylus is a Goldring Eroica lx cartridge, is my setting different than this?  https://goldringusa.myshopify.com/products/goldring-eroica-lx-moving-coil-cartridge?variant=40286403297469

When I look up my cartridge, it says the playing weight of this cartridge is: 1.5 - 2.0 g (1.7 g nom.). 1.7 Grams! The video says the stock cartridge is 17.0 grams. Is the Goldring Eroica LX cartridge really requiring a super light touch on the record? Or am I misunderstanding something? 

When I follow the video, it doesn't work properly. The needle when raised drifts off the record, and there is no weight on the record when the needle is allowed to lower. 

Getting a scale in the mail today (as my old scale broke)

thanks,

Richard

I think that the video you watched is misleading regarding setting the tracking force.  The scale on the counterweight is in tenths of a gram, not grams.  That video is so basic that no definitions or reasons are given for what it tells you to do.

The anti-skate adjustments are pretty crude on the tonearm in the video, and no justification is given for the position they say to set to.

If you have the documentation that came with your table and/or cartridge, I would follow instructions from those.

I personally never use the scale on the tonearm when setting tracking force.  I always use a scale.

It sounds like your anti-skate is off from your description of your tonearm moving when you raise it.  Try the next available setting and see what happens.  You cannot harm anything by experimenting if done in increments.

Bill

 

BTW the ONLY reason you are told to balance the tonearm before setting tracking force is to be able to set the dial on the tonearm to zero so you can use it to set tracking force.  If you use a scale to set tracking force, the settings built into the tonearm are superfluous.

Bill

The Osage Listener Select Brushes are very good.  I have 4 of them.  In fact they were given to me by Jim Pendelton of Osage Audio (thank you again Jim) the maker of AIVS Record Cleaners.

 

His record cleaning products IMO have no peer, and are the best to be had. 

When cleaning records, don't rush.  Don't try cleaning 2 dozen records at a time in some exhausting marathon session, do a 1/2 dozen, take your time with each, knowing that they were done to the best of your abilities and resources.

+1 @markd51 -I've known Jim for a while, and used to pick his brain on cleaning issues and formulations. His brushes are good. I use the Monks brushes with a Monks Omni but use his #15 with a pure water rinse (I still have several gallons of reagent grade I, which is overkill). 

I also agree that once a method is developed- and everyone has a different approach depending on time, equipment to hand and the condition of a given LP, that one should not try to make a "production" out of it-- I'll do 1/2 a dozen at a time, sometime a few more, running the Monks and a KL. That's usually sufficient at this point, given my intake of "new to me" records, most of which are older pressings. 

Many of my records were originally cleaned 3 or more decades ago on an old VPI-- and in the early days, there were far fewer options in terms of fluids, equipment and the like. 

I think there is a trade-off between effectiveness and convenience and a lot of people lean toward the latter. I only learned how to effectively clean (and did the legwork) once I started buying rare old pressings that, despite high grading, needed help. And learned that a lot of what I had written off as groove damage was simply contamination, often the result of haphazard prior "cleanings" that did more harm than good. Although there is no "magic bullet" I've been able to get virtually all of my records to an extremely high state of play. I'm not buying thrift shop stuff, but when buying old copies, there's a history to each one. I try to adjust my methods to address a particular copy's needs, and use an institutional quality flattener (DF-2, Furutech/Orb) to deal with warps. 

Whoever said that you can only have two out of three--cheap, fast or effective-- is probably correct. I take my time.