Fritz carbon 7SE MK 2, Upgrade


I hate the title above, but didn't know how to phrase it. Current system is secondary one, but, great otherwise. ATI  6002 AMP, Benchmark LA-4 preamp,  Meitner DAC MA1 V2, Bricasti M5, above mentioned FRITZ speakers, SVS SB 3000 SUB, Streaming Audirvana via Qobuz. 13x14' room, open door to bathroom and another to common hallway. ONLY play Rock and roll  85 to low 90's    Zeppelin, Rush, Pink Floyd, I could go on. Love my FRITZ, not sure why I'm posting. (will never sell)     Is there a speaker that is stand amount (bookshelf),  possibly small floor stander that will play superior to what I have (rock and roll) that is a dramatic upgrade sound wise. Will be keeping sub in place, currently crossed at 60.  Have been looking off and on for Joseph audio pulsar Graphene, whether that is the correct direction.  Have no way of demoing speaker in house, live an hour from Nashville. Willing to drive some though!  Looking used up to 6k, a bucket list speaker, if you will. You folks at audiogon have helped me in the past, thank you all very much. Robert TN

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@robshaw while its a larger room, are you able to setup a close listening position in your big room, and bring the Fritz speakers there to try with your Pass X250.8 amp?  It’s not an ideal test, yet another way to start to get ideas about other amps. 

Listen for tone and see if you can hear something different from your ATI amp.  Be sure to use the same interconnects and speaker cables you’re using now with your ATI amp.  Hey, that ATI 6002 is no slouch, and it’s just one person’s opinion, yet I place it in the super-neutral camp. Some crave this type of sound, I don’t. It’s all preference.  You can put five people in a room, and they all like something different, some times.  Trust your ears, that’s what most important.  

Trying the Fritz over with you X250.8 might be easier than carrying the 250.8 amp back and forth, ???.  Just a thought for a quick test to try.  It will be interesting to hear the difference with your Fritz with the Pass amp. The better test is to carry over that Pass 250.8 and try it in the same room where your Fritz speakers are now, but that might not be an option for you - understandable if that’s the case.. It will be interesting if you can try either of these options to try and test. Have fun! 

 

 

Assuming the ATI isn’t too big to move, you could bring both the speakers and the ATI to your shop and do an A/B comparison there with the Pass — probably the next best thing to hauling the Pass to your room.  I think you need to reconcile are you looking for something different to swap with the Fritz or are you more interested in improving the Fritz with a better amp. 

@soix    Thank you so much for the post. You have hit the Quandary, spot on!!! I have to compliment you. As my analyst, you have uncovered the truth, that escaped me.. Your last statement about reconciling  the situation is exactly my dilemma.  I may try today to move the Pass into the room that is smaller, that houses my fritz speakers. That would be the best comparison test. 

Speaking of reconciling. Should I find the PASS is superior (laughing) my new dilemma would be a Coda 8 V1 or Coda S 5.5. I have no idea playing the FRITZ at 90db at 10' away,  how may watts are being used ?  Then, should I get the 5.5 version and put it in my shop with my 4ohm tektons , which are very easy to drive, or play it safe and get the 8, and be safer with additional WATTS being available? AND I WONDER, why I like BOURBON!!!!  Thank you, I THINK!   Robert

  

@robshaw ...I may try today to move the Pass into the room that is smaller, that houses my fritz speakers. That would be the best comparison test. ... 

Yep, and you'll know more [relatively quickly] once the 250.8 amp gets fully warmed and you play a few of your favorite test tracks on the Fritz speakers. yes

To all that have assisted @decooney  The wife and I managed to move the x250.8 beast to the the room that houses the FRITZ carbons, small feat!!! As good as the ATI amp was(and it was) the Pass was far superior. Openness, clarity, speed, base,  mid range, etc. I guess I never realized how good the PASS amp was until I moved it to a new place, Impressive, my wife  thought so too. We lugged the PASS back to its home in my shop, the larger location. We were tempted to leave it with the FRITZ in the smaller room, after hearing it. Going to enjoy the FRITZ even more now that they have been awakened.  For those that would like to help? I'm now looking for a very good amp for Rock and ROLL for that smaller room containing the FRITZ.  My first choice is either the CODA 8 (most likely the V1) or the CODA S 5.5 . Would like to stay used if I can, The only thing that scares me about the 5.5 is that its only 50 watts classA) no AB after that. Suppose down the road i decided to purchase a pair of ATC speakers, wondering if the 50 watts would run a little shy at higher volumes????  If  anyone has some suggestions, that would be great. Starting to look as we speak. Robert TN     WOW! was that Pass good!