@mahgister Jazz is some of the most heavily processed music, well modern jazz is real jazz was done before about 1970, that surprises many people but listen to new jazz or smooth jazz it is consistently the best recorded music there is the people who make it are the best musicians producers and engineers another genera of music that always sound super polished is new country if smooth jazz or new country wasn't recorded well it wouldn't match the rest of the music and wouldn't be popular. There are a boat load of awful classical recordings awful blues and bluegrass recordings they have the advantage of sounding however the producer wants with smooth jazz for instance the songs are very expensive because polish is not cheep.
@onhwy61 Wow what a kind thing to say, and yes the systems I think most people have in this group are probably better (more expensive) than the recording studios. So what am I talking about, it's in the word sound not music sound is a wave it should be reproduced as accurately as possible in a satellite link system to be distributed to networks the sound should be most accurately reproduced at a movie theater (theaters are way ahead as far as specs and accuracy) but personal systems are all over the place and audiophiles have no right to pretend they are reproducing anything accurate with the extreme amount of variety in a normal 50k to 500k $ audiophile system. It's a preference system not an accurate playback system.
@roxy54 You said my theory exactly and perfectly audiophile systems have no baseline there is no standard and all the equipment manufacturing magazine adds about faithful reproduction are BS because there is no standard. I really appreciate audiophiles and I understand, my main system is wonderful and I love the way it sounds but my professional system in the same room 90 degrees apart is much more accurate and it's not nearly as enjoyable I don't listen to it half as much, but I am serious about sound and I don't fool myself saying my bigger and more expensive speakers and amps are more accurate they aren't by a long shot but my main system is about twice as expensive as my professional system and it's a lot prettier and funner to play for my friends.
If you were serious about sound you would...
If your audiophile quest is to get the best sound then buy the best equipment used to make the recordings originally. One of the few things nearly every audiophile agrees about is that you can't make the signal better than the original. So:
Solid State Logic 2 channels preamp 5k$
Meyer Sound Bluehorn powered speakers 2x 140K$
Pro Tools MTRX system 10k$
Mac Studio Computer 8k$
Total about 170k$
How is it possible to get better sound than the best recording studio gear?
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I don't know if there really is any such agreement among many audiophiles. It seems it's mostly about harboring whatever satisfies individual goals from an outset of different aspirations, references, budgets, approaches, levels of experience, domestic possibilities, etc. It's a fallacy however thinking the more experienced audiophile with less limited financial means will necessarily strive for, and achieve a more natural sound as the one found at live acoustic events and what otherwise a closer replicate of the recorded material; I've heard my share of highly expensive setups in overdamped rooms, with garden hose thick and crazy expensive cables, filtering galore, exclusive brands, decoupling and this 'n that, and while they in different ways proved capable at certain aspects in sound reproduction they rarely if ever really sounded natural and coherent to my ears. Those setups were often about an "impressiveness" of something, an effect almost, but natural? No. In any case, for such a variety of outsets there's often a striking resilience against a range of approaches, not least of which are those represented by the Meyer Sound Bluehorn system with its relatively large size, pro origins brand and look, active configuration and intricately executed DSP section. Add to that their price: $140k/pair, and you have a bunch of fuming audiophiles gathering at the bonfire with pitchforks to see their "antagonist" go up in flames. I'll say the price is steep, but do you see the same vitriol aimed at the typical, passively configured "high-end" speakers segment in the same price range? No, conversely they're more readily revered, and yet sans amps and any means by which the same level of integration and realization of potential can be achieved by a plethora of users. But we know, or should know what that's about: contrary to the Bluehorns and similar, they fit the narrative - the audiophile narrative. One of the important takeaways with the Bluehorn system in a home would be approximating, quite accurately, how it sounds with music/movie soundtracks compared to that mixed on the same setup, as well as offering a degree of transparency, accuracy, dynamics, spatial acuity and tonal authenticity that, not least as a combination of parameters, is rarely found elsewhere, and which will therefore be beneficial in a broader context. The interesting part, and for this to emulate an actual "copy/paste" experience of how it was recorded on this setup, apart from the equipment used, is the DSP-calibration of the active Meyer Sound Bluehorns to their specific environment in regards to phase behavior in particular, which seems to have a precisely outlined procedure linked to it to properly accommodate the eventual integration for an expected, and intended outcome. This way what's heard in your home can actually be said to be a fairly accurate facsimile of a specific recording environment, where the same strict calibration procedure (over the same gear) has been applied. Should you intend to acquire the Bluehorn system + gear, kudos. Regardless of your premise and how it'll apply here, and what others may tell you, you'll have yourself a unique piece of hardware equipment and integration means that in its sonic outcome is likely to rival, and even exceed most anything "high-end" out there regardless of price. The Bluehorns surely do come with a hefty price tag, but blaming them compared to the competition at least seems unfair. |
It should be titled '....System(s)', as I really can't see you running everything all at once...*g* Just a wilding thought... Caught the irony, yes...and a degree of cynicism. I'm reasonably assured that the majority of your readers here have 'live music experiences', of all manner and types of venues and players. But on a more regular basis, we've spent the bulk of our time listening to playbacks...subject to the very wide degree of processing to offer a credible sonic ....'portrayal' of the 'event'. A soloist via one methodology; duo's, trio's, quartet's....symphonies, orchestras... All of these can be 'live' or studio'd; the latter really leading into the 'heavier processing', whereas the former? A little 'sweetening', perhaps... ;) Beyond that.... It's very much The Art of the Artifice.... Your 'office', arcticians' @ work. Which hits the borders of the Art of Noise; not only the group, but the 'product Itself... Music and the voices in front, beside, and behind...at your control and call. .................. A little movie, seen long ago, has ever since effected and affected my enjoyment of music and the people within: The Phantom of the Paradise... First window of clips, top first 'page', left @ bottom; play entire.... Nearly 50 years later, whenever I hear or listen to music of Any genre'.... ...in the back of my mind and ears, I recall That series of scenes 'n shots.... And know and trust you and your fellows.....;) *s* "You betta, you bet..." *L* (...and Yes, the 'studio' isn't quite right, but one gets the concept....😏....) |
I do think you are missing the point. Yes, we all agree with the above statement, to expect 'better' is folly. OK you have your studio original and now want to listen to that at home. Now I'm sure you will agree, if playback is from your computer using a Chinese $99 DAC via a small pair of cheap speakers it will not provide a rewarding emotional experience, therefore components that do less damage are required, and so the quest continues. Try it yourself: take a copy of your work to a high-end outlet and listen to it on their best money no object system in an acoustically treated room and compare that to what you hear in your studio! A difference I think. The comment made that PS Audio gear is mid-fi holds true, meaning better is available and easily heard. With the millions you have spent would it not make sense to install some absorption panels, you know, like a real studio? |
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