Why Do Cables Matter?


To me, all you need is low L, C, and R. I run Mogami W3104 bi-wire from my McIntosh MAC7200 to my Martin Logan Theos. We all know that a chain is only as strong as its' weakest link - so I am honestly confused by all this cable discussion. 

What kind of wiring goes from the transistor or tube to the amplifier speaker binding post inside the amplifier? It is usually plain old 16 ga or 14 ga copper. Then we are supposed to install 5 - 10' or so of wallet-emptying, pipe-sized pure CU or AG with "special configurations" to the speaker terminals?

What kind of wiring is inside the speaker from the terminals to the crossover, and from the crossover to the drivers? Usually plain old 16 ga or 14 ga copper.

So you have "weak links" inside the amplifier, and inside the speaker, so why bother with mega expensive cabling between the two? It doesn't make logical sense to me. It makes more sense to match the quality of your speaker wires with the existing wires in the signal path [inside the amplifier and inside the speaker].

 

 

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From what I’ve experienced, the further up one goes in quality level within a manufacturer’s line, the law of diminishing returns applies. Most manufacturers have a sweet-spot offering that gets 90-95% of the performance of their reference line. Above the sweet-spot, any further improvements seem harder to discern. Certain cable brands seem to have a ‘house sound’. I personally like Nordost cables for the perceived speed, openness, clarity and resolution that is the Nordost house sound. Some feel that Nordost wire is a little on the lean side. Can someone explain why high efficiency horns / compression driver systems seem to be less affected / dependent on cable quality? I’ve heard such system with basic wire sound really superb.

*L* But @nonoise , has anyone Really looked into...(sorry, Listened To...) a definitive analysis of the string/cup interface?

The quality of the cups, and the interface twixt cup & string?

The string itself, the length, thickness, the number of threads, the composition of ?

Probably buried in a Pentagon document file somewhere...."Untapable Communication Systems", or something like that.... 😏

It’s just sad to open a forum to the first 4 posts being deleted....🤨

"Ooouhahhhooou....’excitable boy(s)’....."

’....after X long years, they let them out on their own...’ ;)

Is the OP serious?  Does he not know that the internal conductors are chosen/built to a cost and performance targets while the external cables are at the option of the user?  That higher performing components with parts like better wiring also increases their costs and thus prices?

Cables for sure matter I owned a Audio store for10 years  and many times they would say buy a $40 k audio system  but then only$2 k on audio cables,

I would then have-to  prove by letting them borrow , at least spend at least 10-15% of the cost of your audio system on cables , power cords too count just as much at getting the most out-of  your Audio system . Now isnot the time to be frugal .

I tried long ago blue jeans cables and Mogami , it okay best ,

for example buytheWireworld  Eclipse speaker cable ,and interconnects 

that’s maybe $2500  $1500 for a 2 m speaker cables , and 2 pair of interconnects , before discounts  ,these are a major upgrade .

power cords what do you have there ?  At least buy Pangea  sig mk2  power cords 

under $300 each  these use Cardas  top Copper wire , a good value . Everything counts ,by being frugal you are greatly restricting the potential of your detail, sound staging and imaging .  Mogomi is what I use for practice on my guitar , nothing more , Audio cables can be very expensive, but what I recommended is average price between10-20% of the cost of yourAudio system is a good average to spend .

in part youget what you pay for .

Why post something like this when you can grab a few pair from many online dealers to hear for yourself if there is any difference in sound quality? If you can’t hear or your system isn’t capable for it to take advantage of better cables then don’t waste your money, pretty simple. I can hear a difference between cables, good or bad, and then there are cables that sound a little better but cost exponentially more so then you have to determine if it’s worth it or not. Also, are you talking about silver or copper, there is a difference?

Even on the other cable naysayer audiophool websites that claim there is no difference between cables, never use the included IC’s that come from their equipment, they always buy the $50 blue jeans or Mogami cables and claim technology and sound quality can’t get any better. So I bought a pair of $100 blue jeans to see if they were onto something. After break in, I sold them. The sq went backwards, dull, no soundstage. 
 

Go out and listen for yourself, nobody is going to be able to tell you what you will hear using your equipment.