We Can Make Classic Cars Outperform Today's "SuperCars": Why Not Vintage Audio?


If you spent $2M on a modern "Supercar", you’d arrive at the end of a quarter mile 2 football fields behind the quickest highly-modified "street legal" cars from the muscle car era. You could show up at an Autocross event in your late model "track ready" sports sedan, and be embarrassed by a lady pushing a 1986 Monte Carlo between the cones.

There’s a lot of resources and talent in the automotive aftermarket. Many of the brightest minds earned weekly paychecks in their "past lives" at major auto manufacturers. There are various disciplines involved including complete engine and drive train replacements, serious add-on/mods to existing components, bigger/better brakes, track-ready suspensions, etc. They can even slide a complete new high-performance rolling chassis underneath popular models.

So, why not vintage audio? Well, we do dip our toes into this a bit. There are popular speaker crossover replacements for the DYI crowd. But, these fall sonically short of their contemporary "high end" counterparts. The automotive equivalent of replacing a 2 BBL carb on a cast iron manifold with a 4 BBL carb on a cast iron manifold -- while keeping the original single exhaust system intact. We can do simple mods to improve the sonics -- like upgrading an original power cord that you wouldn’t want to use on a 2-splice toaster, much less a high-current amplifier. The really smart guys need to come to the rescue for true audiophile grade solutions.

Understandably there has to be a "high give a s--- factor" related to this. The speed parts industry is fueled by a wildly enthusiastic crowd while vintage audio owners are, like: "whatever". So, the chances of a superb $5k amp/preamp module that drops into a Marantz 1060 chassis and slays any modern gear near it’s price point may not be coming to a town near you anytime soon.

I think this can be incremental if we put our minds and wallets to it. You "car guys" know there are 3 basic types of collector cars. "Showroom stock" represents as close as possible the vehicle as it rolled off the assembly line. "Personalized" generally follows a stock appearance with performance and cosmetic improvements. Generally speaking, the car can be reverted to showroom stock at some point the future. All the original parts are carefully cataloged and placed in safe storage. "Modified" has the appearance of a race car, and performs like one. Often modifications to metal are performed, and in some cases there’s no going back. We can follow similar guidelines as well. We understand the motivation to keep things "stock". We can also understand the audiophiles that love their vintage gear would be open to the concept of a significantly better listening experience while maintaining a stock appearance and functionality. Chopping up an Auburn is a really bad idea. But, upgrading the input terminals on an integrated amplifier may be highly palatable for those cherished collectables.

I also get it that the ROI would be questionable. An amp that has a current market value of $2k with $5k worth of mods might still be worth $2k -- or less.

What say you?

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"In no way can older cars compete with the newer "super" cars. Same, I say, with audio although the difference in this realm is not as great as in the automotive."

You are correct, sir.  My comments relate only to the (measurable) performance improvements in aftermarket add-ons/mods, not so much vehicles in their raw, factory trim.  My use of "Supercars" is simply to set a caliper for comparison, and not inteneded to diminish the crediblity of that class of vehicles.  Nice reference to audio in your statement.  I have to agree with you on that one, too.

 

@ketchup Yep, Tom's Camaro is brutal.

 A little story:

A stock-appearing early Nova showed up at our local track (St. Louis area).  2-tone, white over black, baby moons.  Everything fit under the factory wheel wells.  The car was so cute you just wanted to walk over and pinch it.

It quietly made it's way thru the staging lanes and into the burnout box.  I was thinking that he was there making a tribute to the car -- to have documentation that he actually took it to the drag strip to hang on the wall.  The light turned green, and he launched it.  8.60s at 160 MPH.  The moral of the story here is that "Bugatti performance" can be had with something that looks more like a grocery-getter than a race car with the right engineering and aftermarket parts.  Twin turbos help, too.

Thanks for the comments.

If one has a Marantz model 7 preamp, 8B amp and 10B tuner, you do not even think about "modding" it. Same with Mac.

The car comparison for audio-no bueno.

Classic GM car 1/4 time slip vs Euro exotica. The Camaro against it will fail on a road course. So what? 

Remember the Carver amp challenge?

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Who says we can’t? I have a pair of highly modified circa 1960 Altec Lansing 1570B mono block on the way from John Tucker (Exempler Audio) and these sound incredible, far better than the Tutay version.

My idea of a nearly perfect blend of old and new. C5/6 or 7 Vette chassis, fully upgraded suspension, brakes, etc, stretched 16 inches, 600 HP NA on pump gas, caged(with proper removable bar) AC, air bags. Two custom 21" neo subs infinite baffle so very little weight, 10 midbass deep in foot wells, massive fully custom built in horns, superb processing, custom modded D class amps, whole system less than 80lbs. Foam filled chassis voids, bonded aluminum channels to minimize sound deadening weight. Racetec seats(very comfy) fire system, etc, under 3,000 lbs wet, 53 Studebaker body and all trim in silver. Fuel injectors in exhaust tips for fun. old tear drop trailer to tow track tires, etc for track days or planned Bonneville runs, drive it to all events. ....I was about half way finished when I decided to retire and go full time RVing.

I have modded everything I ever owned since I was around 4 years old, now 70, never worried about value when done, modding old audio gear seems like a great way to go for those into such things and I enjoy the time building more than using, everything.

Rick