Phono Stage upgrade to complement Dohmann Helix One Mk 2


Thanks to the recommendations from many users on this Audiogon blog, I think I was able to make a more informed purchase of a turntable, the Dohmann Helix One Mk 2.  I've really been enjoying the turntable for the past month!  

The next phase of my system now needs attention:  the phono stage.  Currently, I'm using a Manley Steelhead v2 running into an Ypsilon PST-100 Mk2 SE pre-amplifier (into Ypsilon Hyperion monoblocks, into Sound Lab M745PX electrostatic speakers). 

I've been told that I could really improve my system by upgrading the phono stage from the Manley Steelhead (although I've also been told that the Manley Steelhead is one of the best phono stages ever made).  
Interestingly, two of the top phono stages that I'm considering require a step-up transformer (SUT).  I'm not fully informed about any inherent advantages or disadvantages of using an SUT versus connecting directly to the phono stage itself.  

I suppose my current top two considerations for a phono stage are the Ypsilon VPS-100 and the EM/IA  LR Phono Corrector, both of which utilize an SUT.  I don't have a particular price range, but I find it hard to spend $100k on stereo components, so I'm probably looking in the $15k - $70k price range. 
Thanks. 

drbond

@rauliruegas 

While I appreciate your recommendations, I will have to admit that such dramatic and extreme comments such as you have mentioned about the Ypsilon products make me question the validity of some of your perspectives.  I've never heard music any better than with the Ypsilon amplifier and pre-amplifier.  Even with my "lowly" Manley Steelhead connected to they Ypsilons, the performers sound like they're in my room, so I'm looking forward to hearing how much improvement there is with an upgraded phono stage.  

Perhaps you're correct that another amplifier, like a DartZeel, would perform better than the Ypsilon, perhaps not; perhaps they just render slightly different presentations.  I highly doubt the JC1+ would produce anything close to what I currently hear.  

Regardless, please just stick with discussion about phono stages on this thread. 
Thanks. 

@drbond 

funny you say that about @rauliruegas  - i always find my discussions with him to be very productive. It might just be he is not a fan of Ypsilon - I've never them. Please remember we all have our own natural prejudices - me I am not a fan of KSL/Kondo - Zanden and Dartzeel - all well loved brands and I'm sure to many ears are mana from heaven - I find them either mushy or too coloured. 

Many a reviewer has very specific loves/prejudices - Martin Colloms loves Naim and Linn - Roy Gregory anything stocked by Audiofreaks (he had to answer letters about this in hi fi plus) - Michael Fremer (anything new and stupendously expensive) 

Many a reviewer has very specific loves/prejudices - Martin Colloms loves Naim and Linn - Roy Gregory anything stocked by Audiofreaks (he had to answer letters about this in hi fi plus) - Michael Fremer (anything new and stupendously expensive) 

And most reviewers will wax poetic as out the positives, or maybe “they” find the reviewer that will be positive.

So it is a bit of a feedback-loop as negative reviews, do not result in a negative reviewer getting more products to review that “could be” heavy on the negative side.

Dear @drbond  : "  I've never heard music any better than with the Ypsilon amplifier and pre-amplifier.  Even with my "lowly" Manley Steelhead connected to they Ypsilons, "

Well that could be because you do not listened something really better, that's all and does not means Ypsilon is what you think i's. Even that now you could question the validity of my posts you can be sure that I know what I'm talking about and more important I know why I'm talking in that " dramatic " way. I only want to help and that you stop to spend money instead to invest in true high quality performance level audio items.

 

" I highly doubt the JC1+ would produce anything close to what I currently hear.  ", well one reason is that the JC have a way better design. @lohanimal  agree with all your post.

 

R.

 

Well the Ypsilon Hyperion monos got a blisteringly good review in both Absolute Sound and Stereophile. Michael Fremer concluded that the Ypsilon passive preamp was as transparent as his reference Dartzeel. He also concluded that the Hyperion monos were as good as the Dartzeel 458 mono’s

"Side 2 was mind-bogglingly better than I’d ever heard it, all of the inner instrumental voices clearly revealed. Especially amazing was the return of the trumpet call, backed by delicate, barely audible woodwinds that were now clearly delineated—and, a few minutes later, the triangle, each stroke’s attack, sustain, and decay convincingly reproduced with great deliberateness and delicacy. And string pizzicati were perfection." MF review

It is clear that the Ypsilon PST100/Hyperion monos are superb by any standard.

In my experience the most compelling systems are those where the owner has selected a speaker they like, and then they found the best amplifier to drive those chosen speakers. In the case of @drbond he owns Atmasphere OTL’s, CJ , and Lamm M2.2 mono amps and has concluded the Ypsilon Hyperions are superb in his system on his Soundlab speakers. I don’t doubt this having heard many amps on Soundlab A1’s, both tube and solid state, they are very sensitive to amplifier choice.

You cannot select an amplifier based on specifications, they are only a guide. Of course if one partakes in copious amounts of tequila and electric puha then perhaps a JC1+ might be perceived to be SOTA

Now back to phono stage options....