Looking for warm tube preamp (should pair well with Pass power amp), budget $6000


Right now I have an ARC ref5se and its nice but looking for something of similar quality but warmer (maybe Vac, CJ or something you think will fit well). Looking for smooth sound, full mid range.

Thanks!

smodtactical

@smodtactical 

You've made a significant investment with that ARC preamp.  Stereophile called it a reference piece of gear and that's not something they do lightly.   Since you have the 6550 tung sol tubes coming, you should definitely see what kind of difference that makes.  But chances are with that preamp, I'd expect there to not be big changes.

I think you'd get more enjoyment out of building a preamp than you can imagine.  You become much more involved in what you're doing.  The SP14 uses 6SN7 tubes and there are many different brands of 6SN7, so you'd definitely have more to choose from.   The cost of the SP14 kit is low enough relative to what you've obviously spent elsewhere in your system that you can afford to experiment.

It's a little like comparing the experience of buying a new, hi-end Porsche versus an older sports car that you do all of the work on during weekends.  The new Porsche is an exceptional machine.  Too perfect perhaps.   But that 50 year old Triumph begs for you to know every inch of it before you even get in.

If you really want to get your hands "dirty", consider building an Aikido circuit preamp with one of the boards from Glassware Audio.  It's the same circuit that the SP14 uses, but you'd be using a different power supply and you'd be building it all from scratch.  Then you get a lot more choices regarding power supply, caps, stepped attenuators, etc.  Now THAT would be fun!

@smodtactical I've built two SP14 preamps using the tubes4hifi.com boards.  You can build it for less than $500 including upgraded capacitors.  The build is quite straightforward with building and wiring to the chassis the biggest pain.  The SP14 sounds very nice but it doesn't outperform my heavily modded Cary SLP-70 although it comes close.  I have yet to succeed in building a SP14 that is completely quiet so that will be a problem if you are planning on using it with efficient speakers or a high powered amp.

I have a BHK Pre and I do not call it warm. Now, I've only used the PSVane factory Tubes and Gold Lions (12au7). The PSV tubes are slightly warmer sounding. The BHK is neutral but "silky" with the tubes I've tried. 

You have gotten a lot of good input.  I was in a similar situation to you recently, looking for a tube preamp to mate with my Pass XA60.8.  After much research, I decided a 6SN7 based preamp was what I was looking for.  That led me to the Aric Audio Motherlode.  Aric worked with me to make it truly balanced with some other enhanced performance qualities.  As a result, the Motherlode XL is now an offered product just slightly above your price range.  

Over the years, I have owned ARC Ref 5, Pass Labs XP22, Doshi Alaap, McIntosh 2500, and Lamm.  While they were all good in their own way, I found each to be lacking in some area important to me.  The Motherlode XL has all the qualities I was looking for and has overcome what these other preamps were lacking (in my opinion).  It is very dynamic and punchy, very detailed throughout the audio band, big deep soundstage with clearly separated images, beautiful tone, and dead quiet. It took my system one step closer to sounding like real live performers.  While I'm still exploring 6SN7 tubes, it is easy to hear differences.  For example, using Hytron 6SN7, it is warmer with softer transients.  With Sylvania Bad Boys it is more neutral and dynamic.  

Most importantly, it mates beautifully with my Pass amps.  No hum, buzz, or tube noise at any volume level.  It is handmade in the US and working with Aric was a true pleasure.  He will build it to your specifications and recommend various tube combinations to suit your taste.  

I didn't know much about Aric Audio before this, but he deserves all of the accolades he is getting on Audiogon and in professional reviews.

Good luck and have fun in the process!

Dave  

 @tricon_dave  High praise for Aric indeed. I was actually going to go with the motherlode before ending up with the ref5se. In hindsight that probably was the better choice for me sonically. Aric is a super nice guy and I love how transparent he is about his builds and what components he uses.