Why I'm not adding a sub to my 2-way monitors for music

Hi @rauliruegas 

Couple of things.  I meant that I would expect a 6.5" woofer to have a -3 dB point around 40 Hz. That doesn't mean that there is no output below that.  In fact, upon reflection I realized that when I made these speakers I cheated in a couple of ways.  I already had bass traps, and I always intended these speakers to be used near the rear wall, so I designed the crossover accordingly.  This flies in the face of "best practices" for speakers which is to make speakers that are measured as if in an echo-free world.  My measurements and test location were HUGE cheats and I'm sure the good Dr. Joe D'Appolito would be very unhappy with me.

What I mean by subwoofers being tone controls is that there is by merely introducing a subwoofer we are altering the tonal balance of our system, and that the end result must be set by personal preferences. There is no such thing as an objectively neutral subwoofer installation.

Dear @erik_squires  : My mistake was that I read in your link: cut off at 40hz, now I understand thewhole subject. Thank's.

In the other side, yes integration of subs in a system always alter the tonal balance of that system and at least for me that's exactly what I was looking for when I integrated the subs to my room/system and yes too to your statement:

"  and that the end result must be set by personal preferences. There is no such thing as an objectively neutral subwoofer installation. "

Thank's again for your explanation.

R.

I sold my 2 SVS subs a couple weeks ago. Mostly a net gain, as they are designed for home theater, not hi-end audio. Shortly after I reinserted my Marantz HD CD-1 as a transport, instead of using my Oppo 105 digital out into my Audio Alchemy DDP-1 + PS 5. The 105s main function is SACD playback.

The HD CD 1 was a huge upgrade, but quickly developed an issue in the magnetic clamp. The entire mechanism is $150 + shipping, and I felt it was time to get a dedicated transport. My research and budget led me to a slightly used Audiolab CDT 6000 (MSRP $650ish). It arrived this morning, and stone cold made my chin drop. The music has so much more body top to bottom, but most notable in the lower mids and bass. Im not missing the subs one bit

hth

With stand mounted speakers it’s critical you have the correct height for your speaker and that’s the foundation of the music that most monitors need , some call it bass which I think it goes beyond that into more reenforced energy and filling up the room and in my room I have cut my Dynaudio stand six down from 25 in to 19 in the front and 18 3/4 in the back allowing the 8 in mid/woofer in my Dynaudio S25 speakers to due just that “ of course your soundstage will become infinite and imaging will snap. With this set up you play with the rake.

I don’t have subs currently but I’d love a pair or more someday, do I feel the need , no.

Some of us may be spoiled, lucky or otherwise gifted (through long, tedious hours of experimentation) with a subwoofer pairing that has ended up very successful. Going on to make more general statements as to their making wonders in other constellations mayn't be prudent, given that quite a few factors could as well lead to the opposite scenario. Claims are no doubt made about DBA setups being very generally worthwhile additions, and they may be so in certain respects not least including frequency response, but that hardly makes them an all-encompassing win in my book - certainly where asymmetrically placed, mono-coupled implementations are concerned. I guess I'm old schooled in that regard - if there is such a thing if only to attain specific traits and ultimate coherency in audio reproduction - maintaining the importance of a high-ish crossover to the mains (that should be high-passed) which further dictates symmetry-and-close-to-the-mains placement and stereo coupling of a pair of subs. Oh, and not least: big, efficient and preferably horn-loaded sub iterations are a must, to my ears, all of which should more easily pave the way for a successful outcome. High-passing the mains I might add would be best achieved running the whole speaker set-up actively, so that any alterations will be done pre-amplification, on signal level and without further interference of a passive crossover. Make of it what you will, but that's the context through which I find subwoofers are implemented most naturally as a seamless part of a whole.