Is the Audio Ref-6SE worth 7K more than the BAT VK-80?


Greeting all,

I looking to replace an venerable Sonic Frontiers Line Stage Once Pre-Amp. I been looking hard at two products. The Audio Research Ref-6SE $17K and the newly released BAT VK-80 $10K. 

These will be mated with a Pair of EVO-400's set up as Mono-Blocks and re-tubed KT-150's I like their snap over the stock EL-34's. My tastes in Pre-Amps is it has to be good with vocals but so overly warm and syrupy. That it cannot flesh out the detail within and recording, or sacrifice tightness and punch in the bass. In short it needs to provide resolution over sweetness. The Amps drive a pair of Legacy Focus SE speakers. These things do not like anything in the signal chain that fattens the low end.

Music preference are Rock, Metal and Classical. Think: Pat Benatar, Heart, Def Leopard, Evanescence, Lacuna Coil, Metallica, Bach Organ Works, and Tchaikovsky's 1812 Overture and you get the picture the bombastic material I like.

I enjoy how both Pre-Amps mate with my system. However, it seems that Ref-6SE dances with my setup a little better that the BAT. My crackpot theory, is its more at home with sonic character of  the KT=150's which is what their Reference 160-M/S amps use.

Nonetheless, The BAT's build quality is more impressive, and I feel I really get something for my $10K. So it seems to me that I am paying a lot for that Audio Research prestige, than quality. Not a fan of a $17k Pre-Amp that comes with a plastic remote. That to me is a major turn off. So what other chintzy things are they doing with this component, in order to increase their profit margin?

Any additional thoughts and opinions are appreciated.

 

walkertm

If you're looking at both purely from parts quality and quantity perspectives, then the BAT wins, hands down. As for sound, I find ARC to sound thin and sterile. I have a BAT VK-33 preamp mated to a BAT VK-225se power amp, and the combo sounds great.

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It is not chump change to me. If it did not represent a substantial effort to obtain. I would not have bothered with this post.

"rip off", oh,that is the key word,and I can understand your feeling that audio research is selling way expensive,right ? It is their business strategy which we can not change. But if REF 6 SE is ok with the sound but expensive,why don't you try  n LS28se ? which is still very very good one,and the price is less than REF 6 SE.

Do not compare the parts inside,it is not the right way to treat a amplifier,That is my suggestion. You choose sound,you like that  sound or you do not like that sound.

It is not only with audio research,it should towards any brand.

By the way,Audio research is way reliable,I am listening VT100 today for 8 hours. if you check it,it is made around 1998. There are bunch of machine online sell which is even earlier,for example VT130.  

i have almost 5k hours on a REF5se, love it. I get a chance in my travels to hear BAT gear, also very very nice. Toss up, save the $ and put tge BAT on HRS isolation ;-)

Hopefully you are enjoying the music and tge journey 

best to you

Jim