it’s funny how these threads take on a life of their own sometimes. It’s very difficult to make oneself so clear that your message is taken the way it was meant. I was never talking about anyone being nasty or snide when a newbie asks a question. My intent was to say that the well-meaning and experienced audiophiles should not overload newbies with so much information that they get scared out of the hobby. This seems to apply to analog more than other subjects, probably because of the way many audiophiles ritualize record cleaning, setup, etc. IMO, it’s not necessary to tell a newbie they need a 4-step 20 minute per lp cleaning ritual or a $3000 ultrasonic machine to enjoy vinyl. For a new person, I think a $300 record cleaning machine and a 1-step fluid is plenty at the beginning and certainly much better than the Discwasher we all used in our youth. That's what I meant.