New turntable: TW or Obama?


About to take the plunge on a table to replace my venerable SOTA Star/SME V.

Top contenders: TW Acustic Raven LS or a Kuzma Stabi R with wood base.  Arm options are the TW 10.5 on the former, or something else.  Would likely get the Kuzma 4 point for the latter.

Anyone with experience and an opinion on these analog tables?

Cost wise they are similar, both under $20K.

Thanks!
bobbydd
Not that my 2cents will make any difference but have heard several of the mentioned Kuzma's with the different 4Point arms and every time the sound was intoxicating. Either the M or R with a 4Point will be my next table. 
It depends. Obama was born in 61, so you might want to consider age as a factor.
The TW Arm is brilliant. Simple, elegant, competently engineered. The TW table is also nice--I spent many hours listening to a friends TOTL Raven with the 10.5 arm. If you are at all interested in a different drive system, check out the Sempersonus TE-2. I'm using a 12" TW arm with this table and it really sings. The TE-2 uses an inner rim drive system that is fantastic--quiet, stable, reliable. The combination has the drive and PRaT of an idler with the detail retrieval of a great belt drive like the Raven.