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Jazz vocalists which may not be as real as we think/imagine
Sure we could include all genres of vocalists, but lets focus on jazz performers,,for instance , take Diana Krall.
I have a pile of cds that i do not listen to, old rock,,, 2 are my wife's she picked up as gifts, and never listened.
So I figured maybe I can use DK's as a test reference recording.
Her 1999 and 2001, both seem to my ears her voice is somehow ~~tweeked~~ laid out with modern aids such as EQ's and such.
My Q is , can we really consider DK's voice to be The Real Deal,,, or a perhaps a toch of ~ The Fake if not perhaps, bordering on, fraud.
I really can not use her cds in my testing of new tweeks, mods, , Her voice comes across wayyyy too warm = Colored = a nono for my ears.
I am after pure cold frigid, icy clean mountain spring water.
Anyway, justa random thought,, what say ye? Have you noticed this quirk among other jazz performers such as Sophie Milman, which btw , i do use in my YT vid uploads of testing reference on tweeks/mods/upgrades.
Her voice is at least somewhat more~~ a natural~, Just barely,,had her engineers gonea tad too far in tweeking, I may have to also disreagrd her cds.
Sure you might object and claim all recordings post 1985, have these intrusions of tweeking /EQing the voice, as a makeover.
I don't know, maybe in the past 20 yrs things have gotten out of hand.
So cast your vote, is DK's voice real deal,, or a tad fake?
Can she perform unpluged as she does on high tech studio records?
I have a pile of cds that i do not listen to, old rock,,, 2 are my wife's she picked up as gifts, and never listened.
So I figured maybe I can use DK's as a test reference recording.
Her 1999 and 2001, both seem to my ears her voice is somehow ~~tweeked~~ laid out with modern aids such as EQ's and such.
My Q is , can we really consider DK's voice to be The Real Deal,,, or a perhaps a toch of ~ The Fake if not perhaps, bordering on, fraud.
I really can not use her cds in my testing of new tweeks, mods, , Her voice comes across wayyyy too warm = Colored = a nono for my ears.
I am after pure cold frigid, icy clean mountain spring water.
Anyway, justa random thought,, what say ye? Have you noticed this quirk among other jazz performers such as Sophie Milman, which btw , i do use in my YT vid uploads of testing reference on tweeks/mods/upgrades.
Her voice is at least somewhat more~~ a natural~, Just barely,,had her engineers gonea tad too far in tweeking, I may have to also disreagrd her cds.
Sure you might object and claim all recordings post 1985, have these intrusions of tweeking /EQing the voice, as a makeover.
I don't know, maybe in the past 20 yrs things have gotten out of hand.
So cast your vote, is DK's voice real deal,, or a tad fake?
Can she perform unpluged as she does on high tech studio records?
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I dont even know if it is music.... It is only extraordinary powerful... Is it music? is it voice? I dont give a dam... Is it Billie Holiday? No.... But the power to convey emotions cannot be a mechanical process nor only talent.... Embodied genius perhaps? :) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2XUrySbdUE |
@mozartfan, ’And btw the RS had onlya few good songs, all written by the creative and talented Brian Jones, , then again , drugs didn’t hurt that process. To me drug induced music should be canceled. I never listen to rock any longer.’ Agree with you about Brian Jones. Once he was kicked out the Stones lost a lot of texture to their sound and gradually became a good Rolling Stones tribute band. Can’t agree about the drugs though. Without pot and LSD the 1960s would have sounded entirely different. Lord knows what drugs the kids are all using today. ’Should all voice manipulation gadets be banned, outlawed from any/every record, no matter what genre,’ ’So yeah, thats my beef, studio tech geeks gone wild with modern gadgets, giving us what is not really The Real Deal.’ Partially agree. It would be nice to have more recordings with natural life-like recordings. However I’ve read that it’s the absolute norm to avoid flat recordings. At the very least a dose of compression is considered mandatory to any recording/radio TV broadcast. Cinema trailers often tend to overdose on it. It would appear also that many vocalists are insecure of their talents and specifically choose studios, producers, effects etc to get an idealised sounding version of themselves. One that they hope the public will buy into. In any case we’re now in the high speed social media age where the wish to improve upon nature is at its greatest. This human desire was probably was always there but now we have many means of enabling it. Image enhancement seems to be incredibly important today and thus the natural look / sound seems unsophisticated and decidedly out of fashion. |
One thing we know for sure is that Kraal's husband (Elvis Costello) doesn't rely on recording gimmicks to improve his voice
I had no idea they were married. Yes Elvis Costello vocals on his master hit record Burt Bacharach compliation back in early 2000ish, seems not to have much tweaking. and the live , seems even less so. |
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