Relate sensitivity/impedance to speaker efficiency

A point which can be important to keep in mind is whether the speaker sensitivity is defined with respect to an input of 1 watt, or with respect to an input of 2.83 volts.

2.83 volts corresponds to 1 watt into 8 ohms. So for an 8 ohm speaker, the sensitivity number would be the same for both definitions.

However, for a 4 ohm speaker 2.83 volts corresponds to 2 watts, so a sensitivity of 90db for a 2.83V input would be equivalent to only 87db for a 1 watt input.

2.83 volts into 6 ohms corresponds to 1.33 watts, which means that a sensitivity of 90db for a 2.83V input in that case would be equivalent to about 88.75 db for a 1W input.

Although as was indicated above speaker impedance can vary considerably as a function of frequency, so it's all a very inexact science.

What matters more for ease of amplification - a speaker with higher sensitivity or a speaker with a higher nominal impedance?

Sensitivity in itself just relates to how much power is required to produce a given volume. "Ease" of amplification, and versatility with respect to what kinds of amplifiers would be good matches sonically, are dependent on nominal impedance (the higher the better); how constant the impedance is as a function of frequency (the flatter the curve the better); and to what extent the impedance is capacitive, especially at frequencies where the impedance magnitude reaches low values. Capacitive impedances correspond to negative phase angles in impedance plots that you will see in some reviews, especially those in Stereophile.

Regards,
-- Al

No one says it better than Al! the only thing to add, is that many tube amplifiers will sound "better" driving a higher impedance load, which I am sure Al and Atmasphere can provide the technical back-up for. This is reported to be especially true for output transfomerless (OTL) tube amps, which is the reason that some people use impedance multiplying devices like the Speltz boxes between OTLs and lower impedance speakers. Just to show that, generally, you can't generalize, many people report that Sound Lab electro-stats mate very well w OTL amps, and they have a low pretty low impedance at some frequencies.

You could try asking in this forum about specific speaker models as it is likely someone here has empirical knowledge of how they perform with different amps.

However I have been surprised many times by how well some speakers sound when matched with a tube amp that supposedly was way too underpowered. My general rule of thumb is a good sounding amp usually sounds good regardless of the speakers, and you'll never know for sure until you try it.

Thanks for all the info. It's all good to know and I feel that I'm learning a lot.

To get into some specifics as Mmike84 suggested - A couple specific speakers I am considering are the Dali Helicon 800 and Acoustic Zen Adagio.

The Dali Helicon 800 is a 4 ohm speaker with a listed sensitivity of 89.5. I see the units shown on the Dali website are 2.83 V/1 m. According to what Almarg is saying this would correspond to a sensitivity of 86.5 for a 1w input - is that right?

The Adagio is a 6 ohm speaker and the website lists the sensitivity as simply 89 dB SPL @ 1 meter (doesnt indicate 1w or 2.83 volts). I noticed a couple of other websites reviewing the speaker list it as 89 dB / 1w / 1 meter. But I have sent an email directly to Acoustic Zen to ask them to clarify.

If the 1w / 1m unit is true for the Adagio, then according to what Almarg is saying, to directly compare these speakers you would have to say the sensitivity of the Dali is 86.5 vs 89 for the Adagio for a 1w input.

Also, the impedance curve of the Adagio is fairly flat as seen here in the 6moon review: Adagio curve

Unfortunately I cant find the same curves for the Helicon 800. The closest I can find is the Helicon 400 from the stereophile review and it drifts a bit more: Helicon 400 curve

Anyway, the ability to use tube amplification successfully is one important criteria for me in choosing the right speaker. Of course, there are several other things I am considering (room size, placement, price, etc). But if anyone has any opinions about how these speakers might perform with tubes relative to one another, I'd like to hear more. Thanks again.

Meiwan, see if this helps:
at 8 ohms on 87db speakers, at 1 meter in front of them
1 watt = 87db
2 watts = 90db
4 watts = 93db
8 watts = 96db
16 watts = 99db
32 watts = 102db
64 watts = 105db
128 watts = 108db
It takes double the wattage to gain 3db.
You have to gain 10db to hear a "perceived" doubling of volume. No one is going to be able to tell the difference between an 87db speaker and a 90db speaker unless your amp is only 3 watts(2A3 tube amp).
However, impedance is another issue. Most solid state amps will double power output with halving of impedance. Some only give a 50% or so gain. Most tube amps will not give any increase in output.

For Nnck-are we talking stereo or theater. Almost any 2 channel amp will handle 4 ohms. Many theater receivers have issues driving five 4 ohm speakers. Be careful there. Do the math when looking but most theaters require 110db to 112db continuous output for THX or Ultra THX.