The Arm/Cartridge Matching Myth

Dear @halcro : First don’t try to avoid the inevitable, you just can’t do it.
Every one that read what others gentlemans/audiophiles with very high knowledge levels opinions with facts/evidence that I posted understand with out doubt what you after more than 6 years don’t do it. I said and now your posts confirm it: you have a personal big big problem.


""" until he has the last word. """ really? because my post was not about what I say on the subject but what other gentlemans posted in this thread and other forums. As I said please don’t try to avoid the inevitable.

"" Ortofon where there is not a single mention of the affect on the SOUND from the cartridge.
It is all about trackability of WARPED records """


"" also confirm that the issue is purely TRACKABILITY.......no claims regarding the affects on SOUND. ""


Please ask you: why cartridge designers put so much effort in the tracking cartridge abilities through the adecuated compliance/suspension/effective stylus ti´mass/ stylus shape, cantilever material, etc, etc.?

The differences in SOUND between a cartridge with 5cu ( everything the same. ) and other same design cartridge with 14cu is night and day because tracking ability is what permit to the stilus tip tracking in a way better form following the LP surface recorded grooves modulations. A cartridge with low compliance can’t give us all the information that are recorded in the grooves modulations in the same way that a higher compliance same model.
TRACKING ABILITIES MAKES AUDIBLE DIFFERENCES IN THE SOUND.

That you can’t hear it is another matters and a problem you have and that does not affects to any one else.

In the other side all LP are warped and the " outer platter ring " can’t fix it because that device helps for the macro warps but the micro ones no one can’t do  nothing about and we have to think that the stylus tip works at MICRO levels, so that micro warps changes the SOUND and tracking abilities in the cartridge ( along other issues. ) makes a difference. Additional to that is the off-center and feedback where boths effects works to " disturb " that cartridge/arm resonance frequency and directly affects/change the SOUND we perceive.



""" There is little SCIENCE behind it.....
It hasn’t been tested, studied, verified, quantified nor analysed. """


That you can’t understand it only say that all the ones that posted here are rigth and certainly even that you deny it: are wrong for your misunderstood. Tha’s all.


But you posted as part of your false arguments a non-scientific excercise:

""" is my Thread ’Hear My Cartridges """

sorry but that’s a good joke nothing more.


Again, re-read carefully the evidence on those very good posts because all those are the ones that already put the " last word " in the myth subject that’s as @mijostyn said: " this is not one of them.

As he said: """ you are intentionally misleading people ."""

Again, sorry but in this regards/myth/issue , for say the least, you are wrong with your terrible misunderstood.

I’m not saying it, all those posts by those gentlemans already said it. The last word came from all of them, like it or not.


Regards and enjoy the MUSIC NOT DISTORTIONS,
R.

Maybe a rookie can’t understand nothing about the main subject but you have a lot of years in audio and started this thread 6 years ago. What did you learn in those years? because your last two posts confirm that you learned nothing about. I’m not saying that but your self posts.

But not one single Peer-Reviewed Scientific White Paper demonstrating the relationship between Resonant Frequency and SOUND...🤯

This statement is false and blatantly so.

If the mechanical resonance ('Resonant Frequency' per above) is too high, the cartridge may not stay in the groove or may simply mistrack with complex material. This creates distortion and is certainly affecting the 'SOUND'.

There are papers on the topic. Didn't take long to find either:
http://www.laudioexperience.fr/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/Bruel-Kjaer-Audible-Effects-of-Mechanical-...
Pay attention to the references and you will see further papers on the topic.


The perception of wow and flutter, as well as rumble all affect the 'SOUND'. Rumble goobles up amplifier power and you can bet that increases IMD, which affects the 'SOUND'


The whole premise of this thread is patently ridiculous! knock it off.

Thanks Ralph.
I just wanted to point out that there are two ways to view the tonearm cartridge "system" From a sonic (electrical) point of view the system is a high pass filter. But from a mechanical point of view it is a low pass filter. It moves at low frequencies and is rigid at high frequencies. the cross over point is at the resonance frequency.
Kirkus, if you are still watching. If a suspended table is tuned correctly, the tonearm mounted to the suspended platform along with the platter and the tone arm/cartridge are set up correctly outside forces within reason will have no effect on the system. If I provide a mechanical input the system just bounces around together and the record continues playing like nothing happened. 

But 99.9% of "suspended" turntables are fatally flawed in their design, on one way or another.  This is my opinion based on listening and looking. The ideas are good; the execution is questionable. Now, if you're talking about Minus K or Herzan platforms, that is another story. 

Here’s your problem. The outside forces (low frequency seismic type) that can have an impact on the turntable platter, cartridge and tonearm are in the same part of the spectrum as their resonant frequencies. Most suspended turntables are tuned too high to stop the outside forces from doing their nefarious work.